Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... - Page 2

Ameena* · **Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... -** 09-25-2007

Istaqhfurallah, as Muslims (no matter whether you are fasting or not) you DO NOT back bite because it is like eating the flesh of another human. Subhanallah! I know you are not a Muslim, but it is still sad to see people participating in such cruelty.

Major sins are indeed the cause for all misery, evil and torment in this world and the hereafter. And the worst of all sins are those that are greatest in harm and danger. Among the destructive major sins are backbiting and slandering.

These two sins were forbidden by Allah through His Prophet because they sow enmity, evils and discord among people and lead to destruction. They make their perpetrator regret when regret will be of no avail. They cause hostilities between people of the same household and between neighbours and relatives. They can decrease in good deeds and increase in evil ones and lead to dishonour and ignominy.

Backbiting and slandering are shame and disgrace. Their perpetrator is detested and he shall not have a noble death. Allah forbids these acts in His Book when He says,

“O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, in deeds some suspicions are sins. And spy not neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allah, verily, Allah is the one who accepts repentance, Most Merciful” (Al-Hujuraat 49: 12).

This verse strongly forbids backbiting for Allah likens the backbiter to one who eats the flesh of his dead brother. If he would hate eating the flesh of his brother, he should also hate to eat his flesh while he is alive by backbiting and slandering him.

When one reflects deeply over this assimilation it will be enough to keep one away from backbiting.

Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said, “Do you know what backbiting is?” They said, “Allah and His Messenger know best.” He then said, “It is to say something about your brother that he would dislike.” Someone asked him, “But what if what I say is true?” The Messenger of Allah said, “If what you say about him is true, you are backbiting him, but if it is not true then you have slandered him.” . (Muslim)

Looking4Peace · **Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... -** 09-26-2007

You will find rudeness in every culture. Do not think all arab are mean. I am very fair and mostly caucasian for that matter and I live in a mostly hispanic neighborhood. I hear people talking about me sarcastically all the time not expecting me to understand them. But guess what. I am fluent in spanish. This does not mean i hold a grudge towards latinos because I know everyone is like that. It also happens when I am around russian people and i understand enough russian to catch people talking about me. So i scare them once i backtalk them back in their own language. YOu should see the embarassed oh know look on their face. To make things short word got around and noone dares anymore. People are rude and even more rude when they think you cant understand them. Cowards that put their tails between their legs when caught

ahmeduk · **Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... -** 09-26-2007

These women should no better, and this is not what Islam teaches in terms of how our manners, conduct and character should be with people.
Try your best to just ignore them or perhaps you might just ask them/ someone to explain what they just said.

islamirama · **Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... -** 09-26-2007

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Originally Posted by Sister-Ameena*

Backbiting and slandering are shame and disgrace. Their perpetrator is detested and he shall not have a noble death. Allah forbids these acts in His Book when He says,

“O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, in deeds some suspicions are sins. And spy not neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allah, verily, Allah is the one who accepts repentance, Most Merciful” (Al-Hujuraat 49: 12).

This verse strongly forbids backbiting for Allah likens the backbiter to one who eats the flesh of his dead brother. If he would hate eating the flesh of his brother, he should also hate to eat his flesh while he is alive by backbiting and slandering him.

When one reflects deeply over this assimilation it will be enough to keep one away from backbiting.

Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said, “Do you know what backbiting is?” They said, “Allah and His Messenger know best.” He then said, “It is to say something about your brother that he would dislike.” Someone asked him, “But what if what I say is true?” The Messenger of Allah said, “If what you say about him is true, you are backbiting him, but if it is not true then you have slandered him.” . (Muslim)

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MaiCarInMtl · **Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... -** 09-27-2007

My dear, you are much more kind and patient than I! I would have either become very angry... or cried. I take things too personally.

It makes me so sad to see that people think they are better than others, superior and can do and say whatever they want. In the meantime, they are only demeaning themselves and God will deal with them as he sees fit when the time comes.

Don't feel bad, as those who talk in peoples' backs only do it because they themselves are so insecure that they feel the need to make others feel worse than they do. Only then can they feel good about themselves.

tomtomsmom · **Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... -** 09-27-2007

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Originally Posted by MaiCarInMtl

My dear, you are much more kind and patient than I! I would have either become very angry... or cried. I take things too personally.

It makes me so sad to see that people think they are better than others, superior and can do and say whatever they want. In the meantime, they are only demeaning themselves and God will deal with them as he sees fit when the time comes.

Don't feel bad, as those who talk in peoples' backs only do it because they themselves are so insecure that they feel the need to make others feel worse than they do. Only then can they feel good about themselves.

Thank you. You give me more credit than I deserve. I was angry and I did cry (blame pregnancy hormones!) but I am much too proud to show it to anyone but my husband. I am too stubborn to give them the satisfaction of seeing me upset over their ignorance.

mariam. · **Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... -** 09-27-2007

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Originally Posted by tomtomsmom

As many of you may know, I am a non-muslim woman married to a muslim man. This is the first Ramadhan that I have been invited to any family dinners to break the fast. Well, Saturday I went to one and it was........disappointing to say the least. My husbands family was wonderful! It was other guests that ruined the night for me. Some of the women were blatantly talking about me in arabic and saw nothing wrong with it. They laughed in my face at the way I pronounce the very few arabic words that I know. I was told that I should not pay attention to them and not let it get to me. They said that a lot of arabic women act this way. Sorry if I offend anyone, but this is simply NOT RIGHT!

I am not telling you all of this because I want a pity party. I am telling my story to serve as a simple reminder. This is a holy month that even I, as a non-muslim, can appreciate. Please remember that as you go throughout your days. You may feel that you are better because you are muslim and the person beside you is not. But there is no need to let that person know you feel that way. Consider how you make people feel in the way you act around them. Just because I may not understand the words, the intent is very clear. And if I know the intent, so does God.

And he is always watching.

peace be upon you tomtomsmom:

sister, please accept my apology

and don't bother with what those women did .. they missed out the prophet way and forget that God has conferred a favor upon them that He has guided them to the faith.

and I ask God who knows every thing .. to Show you and me the straight way, The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace .. Ameen

God said in his holy book: " O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): nor let some women laugh at others: it may be that the (latter are better than the (former): nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: and those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong. "

the prophet mohammad peace be upon him said:" Where there are three of you in a company ,two should not hold confidential talks together till the number increases,lest the third man might fell annoyed. "

peace .. see you in makkah insha'allah (God willing)

Ommuslim · **Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... -** 10-04-2007

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I am Muslim and Arabic, I assure you, it isn't common, advised nor normal to backbite or deride, even for two parties to engage in conversation and exclude the third...

peace!

I have nothing to say more

blessed Ramadan everyone

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Ameena* Kenyadigit? Status: Offline Posts: 1,350 Reputation: 7740 Rep Power: 19 Join Date: Jul 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... - 09-25-2007 Istaqhfurallah, as Muslims (no matter whether you are fasting or not) you DO NOT back bite because it is like eating the flesh of another human. Subhanallah! I know you are not a Muslim, but it is still sad to see people participating in such cruelty. Major sins are indeed the cause for all misery, evil and torment in this world and the hereafter. And the worst of all sins are those that are greatest in harm and danger. Among the destructive major sins are backbiting and slandering. These two sins were forbidden by Allah through His Prophet because they sow enmity, evils and discord among people and lead to destruction. They make their perpetrator regret when regret will be of no avail. They cause hostilities between people of the same household and between neighbours and relatives. They can decrease in good deeds and increase in evil ones and lead to dishonour and ignominy. Backbiting and slandering are shame and disgrace. Their perpetrator is detested and he shall not have a noble death. Allah forbids these acts in His Book when He says, “O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, in deeds some suspicions are sins. And spy not neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allah, verily, Allah is the one who accepts repentance, Most Merciful” (Al-Hujuraat 49: 12). This verse strongly forbids backbiting for Allah likens the backbiter to one who eats the flesh of his dead brother. If he would hate eating the flesh of his brother, he should also hate to eat his flesh while he is alive by backbiting and slandering him. When one reflects deeply over this assimilation it will be enough to keep one away from backbiting. Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said, “Do you know what backbiting is?” They said, “Allah and His Messenger know best.” He then said, “It is to say something about your brother that he would dislike.” Someone asked him, “But what if what I say is true?” The Messenger of Allah said, “If what you say about him is true, you are backbiting him, but if it is not true then you have slandered him.” . (Muslim)

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Looking4Peace LI Oldtimer Status: Offline Posts: 616 Reputation: 321 Rep Power: 16 Join Date: May 2006 Location: The hole i crawl out of Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... - 09-26-2007 You will find rudeness in every culture. Do not think all arab are mean. I am very fair and mostly caucasian for that matter and I live in a mostly hispanic neighborhood. I hear people talking about me sarcastically all the time not expecting me to understand them. But guess what. I am fluent in spanish. This does not mean i hold a grudge towards latinos because I know everyone is like that. It also happens when I am around russian people and i understand enough russian to catch people talking about me. So i scare them once i backtalk them back in their own language. YOu should see the embarassed oh know look on their face. To make things short word got around and noone dares anymore. People are rude and even more rude when they think you cant understand them. Cowards that put their tails between their legs when caught

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ahmeduk Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 3 Reputation: 12 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: May 2007 Location: UK Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... - 09-26-2007 These women should no better, and this is not what Islam teaches in terms of how our manners, conduct and character should be with people. Try your best to just ignore them or perhaps you might just ask them/ someone to explain what they just said.

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MaiCarInMtl Obsessed knitter Status: Offline Posts: 215 Reputation: 1101 Rep Power: 10 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Montreal, QC, CA Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Ramadhan as a non-muslim......... - 09-27-2007 My dear, you are much more kind and patient than I! I would have either become very angry... or cried. I take things too personally. It makes me so sad to see that people think they are better than others, superior and can do and say whatever they want. In the meantime, they are only demeaning themselves and God will deal with them as he sees fit when the time comes. Don't feel bad, as those who talk in peoples' backs only do it because they themselves are so insecure that they feel the need to make others feel worse than they do. Only then can they feel good about themselves.