It is haraam to take kaafirs as close friends and protectors - Page 2

hmmm5

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Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad

“O you who believe! Take not as (your) bitaanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made clear to you the aayaat (proofs, evidence, verses), if you understand. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e., you believe in the Tawraat and the Injeel, while they disbelieve in your Book (the Qur’aan)]. And when they meet you, they say, ‘We believe.’ But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: ‘Perish in your rage. Certainly Allaah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).’ If a good befalls you, it grieves them, but some evil overtakes you, they rejoice at it…” [Aal ‘Imran 3:118-120].

NOP, I am not convinced at all. One word does mean a lot but we need to figure out which one was meant by Allah. What was the context of this verse anyway? I have never encountered a single Arabic word in the Qur'an where all it's meaning are applied. Why here???

snakelegs

isn't there a lot of controversy about the word "auliya"?
is that word ever used just to mean "friend"?

dream gurl

omg its haram to take kafir as close friend..well i hav alot of kafir dat i befriended..well da thing is jus choose wisely who u be friend..nd da only reason is i think if dey influence you in a bad way..

muslimwarrior

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Originally Posted by dream gurl

omg its haram to take kafir as close friend..well i hav alot of kafir dat i befriended..well da thing is jus choose wisely who u be friend..nd da only reason is i think if dey influence you in a bad way..

well thats wrong especially since they are close to you. you can say "hi" "bye" to them but we really shouldnt start getting close with them. you wont realise it when your getting influenced!

hmmm5

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Originally Posted by snakelegs

isn't there a lot of controversy about the word "auliya"?
is that word ever used just to mean "friend"?

agreed. I doubt that is ever used to just to mean "friends". I don't know. I don't speak Arabic. someone pls clarify.

hmmm5

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Originally Posted by muslimwarrior

well thats wrong especially since they are close to you. you can say "hi" "bye" to them but we really shouldnt start getting close with them. you wont realise it when your getting influenced!

I know about "influence" and peer pressure argument. But what if one is not influenced into doing haram stuff. I am confident of myself. It's pretty much the opposite with me. Just another day, I asked my friend to stop his car on the way to Jogging Park because I saw a small mosque and needed to pray. I asked them to wait outside while I finished praying. They know and understand that I have to pray and respect my believes.

They know I don't drink and eat pork. When I am around, we always go to Halal restaurants. Actually being the only Muslim in the group, I influence the major decisions. LOL.

muslimwarrior

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Originally Posted by hmmm5

I know about "influence" and peer pressure argument. But what if one is not influenced into doing haram stuff. I am confident of myself. It's pretty much the opposite with me. Just another day, I stopped my friend on a way to Jogging Park because I saw a small mosque. I asked them to wait outside while I finished praying. They know and understand that I have to pray and respect my believes.

They know I don't drink and eat pork. When I am around, we always go to Halal restaurants. Actually being the only Muslim in the group, I influence the major decisions. LOL.

just listen to what your creator (Allah) has told you and please stop making excuses. "what if" "but" etc

remember also the famous hadith of the prophet SAW where he tells us about the importance of having good friendship. here read this bro;

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The example of a good companion and a bad companion is like that of the seller of musk, and the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows (respectively). So as for the seller of musk then either he will grant you some, or you buy some from him, or at least you enjoy a pleasant smell from him. As for the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows then either he will burn your clothes or you will get an offensive smell from him." [Bukhari & Muslim]

In his commentary of this Hadith, Imam an-Nawawi said that the Prophet (peace be upon him) compared a good companion to a seller of musk and spoke of the virtue of having companions who are good, who have noble manners, piety, knowledge and good culture. Such are those who grant us from their virtue. And he (peace be upon him) forbade us to sit with those who do evil, commit a lot of sins and other bad deeds, as well as with innovators, backbiters, and so forth. Another scholar said: "Keeping good company with the pious results in attainment of beneficial knowledge, noble manners and righteous actions, whereas keeping company with the wicked prevents all of that."

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Do you know what? Think about it. If we (Muslims) have non-Muslim friends, then their ideas and religious beliefs will affect you. Because a person normally becomes so close to a friend, they talk about literally everything. Anyway there is a hadith if the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam:

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“A person is likely to follow the faith of his friend, so look whom you befriend”
(Reported by Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi).

AvarAllahNoor

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Originally Posted by hmmm5

I know about "influence" and peer pressure argument. But what if one is not influenced into doing haram stuff. I am confident of myself. It's pretty much the opposite with me. Just another day, I asked my friend to stop his car on the way to Jogging Park because I saw a small mosque and needed to pray. I asked them to wait outside while I finished praying. They know and understand that I have to pray and respect my believes.

They know I don't drink and eat pork. When I am around, we always go to Halal restaurants. Actually being the only Muslim in the group, I influence the major decisions. LOL.

Dude those that are influenced by thier mates into doing the wrong things shows how weak the Imaan is in the first place! - If you're Atal (strict) in your religion, nothing can take you off the path.

**'Abd-al Latif** · 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hmmm5

NOP, I am not convinced at all. One word does mean a lot but we need to figure out which one was meant by Allah. What was the context of this verse anyway? I have never encountered a single Arabic word in the Qur'an where all it's meaning are applied. Why here???

My job is not to convince you, whether you accept or reject is your choice. La ikraaha fideen (there is no compulsion in religion).

But on the day of judgement you will be amongst those who you love the most. So if you chose to spend time with those who remember/worship/please other then Allah then your fate is with them.

I'm not going to discuss this any further because of the hadith of the messenger of Allah related in bukhaari and muslim

"Read the Qur'an [together] so long as your hearts are united, but when you differ, stand up from it [and conclude your study sessions together]"

(Related by Bukhari (5069), Muslim (2667), Ahmed (18337), and Ad-Daarimee (3359)).

Take heed to this hadeeth and the ayaah in qur'an; sami'na wa ato'naa (we hear and we obey).

hmmm5

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Originally Posted by AhLÄÄM

Do you know what? Think about it. If we (Muslims) have non-Muslim friends, then their ideas and religious beliefs will affect you. Because a person normally becomes so close to a friend, they talk about literally everything. Anyway there is a hadith if the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam:

I never talk about religion. And if I do, am I not conveying the message of the Qur'an to them as in dawah??

hmmm5

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Originally Posted by muslimwarrior

remember also the famous hadith of the prophet SAW where he tells us about the importance of having good friendship. here read this bro;

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The example of a good companion and a bad companion is like that of the seller of musk, and the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows (respectively). So as for the seller of musk then either he will grant you some, or you buy some from him, or at least you enjoy a pleasant smell from him. As for the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows then either he will burn your clothes or you will get an offensive smell from him." [Bukhari & Muslim]

In his commentary of this Hadith, Imam an-Nawawi said that the Prophet (peace be upon him) compared a good companion to a seller of musk and spoke of the virtue of having companions who are good, who have noble manners, piety, knowledge and good culture. Such are those who grant us from their virtue. And he (peace be upon him) forbade us to sit with those who do evil, commit a lot of sins and other bad deeds, as well as with innovators, backbiters, and so forth. Another scholar said: "Keeping good company with the pious results in attainment of beneficial knowledge, noble manners and righteous actions, whereas keeping company with the wicked prevents all of that."

This is irrelevant to my argument. This talks about friendship in general and doesn't talk about non-Muslim friendship specifically. How about you watch this:

Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c

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Originally Posted by hmmm5

I never talk about religion. And if I do, am I not conveying the message of the Qur'an to them as in dawah??

Just read the hadith I provided.

hmmm5

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Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad

My job is not to convince you, whether you accept or reject is your choice. La ikraaha fideen (there is no compulsion in religion).

But on the day of judgement you will be amongst those who you love the most. So if you chose to spend time with those who remember/worship/please other then Allah then your fate is with them.

I'm not going to discuss this any further because of the hadith of the messenger of Allah related in bukhaari and muslim

"Read the Qur'an [together] so long as your hearts are united, but when you differ, stand up from it [and conclude your study sessions together]"

(Related by Bukhari (5069), Muslim (2667), Ahmed (18337), and Ad-Daarimee (3359)).

Take heed to this hadeeth and the ayaah in qur'an; sami'na wa ato'naa (we hear and we obey).

I love God the most, then Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)and lastly my family. I don't really "love" any of my friends. Anyway brother, what do you think of this. You didn't reply to this video below:

Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c

Faizah

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“A person is likely to follow the faith of his friend, so look whom you befriend”
(Reported by Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi).

Sa7, ukhtee. I was thinking of the same hadeeth. Al-Mar'u 'ala deeni khaleelihi.

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snakelegs nusrat fanatic Status: Offline Posts: 6,243 Reputation: 28381 Rep Power: 59 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Way of Life: Agnostic	Re: It is haraam to take kaafirs as close friends and protectors - 02-29-2008 isn't there a lot of controversy about the word "auliya"? is that word ever used just to mean "friend"? __________________ each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles question authority

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dream gurl LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 118 Reputation: 351 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: ~california~ Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: It is haraam to take kaafirs as close friends and protectors - 02-29-2008 omg its haram to take kafir as close friend..well i hav alot of kafir dat i befriended..well da thing is jus choose wisely who u be friend..nd da only reason is i think if dey influence you in a bad way..