It is haraam to take kaafirs as close friends and protectors - Page 3

**'Abd-al Latif** · 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hmmm5

I love God the most, then Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)and lastly my family. I don't really "love" any of my friends. Anyway brother, what do you think of this. You didn't reply to this video below:

Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c

I haven't watched it because I have had other things to do but either way I can't see myself benefiting much from it, why not? Because I'm not looking for grey areas in religion and neither should you. There are many ahadeeth about this subject; one of them for example the prophet (saw) said "whoever immitates a people is one of them" or "a man is upon the religion of his companions so let him choose his companions wisely".

Forbidding the evil and enjoining the good, striving for al-jannah and prepairing for what will happen in your grave should be enough for you to acompany the best of people to prepair for what lies ahead of you.

EDIT: I've seen the video, but disagree. Refer to Tafsir Ibn Khatir, as before I refuse to take any further part in this issue.

Al-Zaara · 09:52 PM

Selam aleykum we rahmetallahu,

Maybe this can clarify it a bit more, it is quoted from the site I have linked to in my post:

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In the verse you quoted, the word "Awliya" is used. It is a plural and its singular is "wali". The correct translation of the word ""wali"" is not "friend" but it is someone who is very close and intimate. It is also used to mean "guardian, protector, patron, lord and master".

In the Qur'an this word is used for God, such as [Allah is the Protector (or Lord and Master) of those who believe. He takes them out from the depths of darkness to light…] (Al- Baqarah 2: 257)

There are many other references in the Qur'an that give this meaning. The same word is also sometimes used in the Qur'an for human beings, such as [And whosoever is killed unjustly, We have granted his next kin "wali" the authority (to seek judgement or punishment in this case)…] (Al-‘Isra' 17 :33)

The correct translation of the verse in Surat Al-Ma’idah is: [O you who believe! Do not take Jews and Christians as your patrons. They are patrons of their own people. He among you who will turn to them for patronage is one of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust.] (Al-Ma'dah 5: 51)

It is obvious that Jews patronize the Jews and Christians patronize the Christians, so why not Muslims patronize Muslims and support their own people. This verse is not telling us to be against Jews or Christians, but it is telling us that we should take care of our own people and we must support each other.

In his Tafsir, (Qur’an exegesis) Imam Ibn Kathir has mentioned that some scholars say that this verse (i.e. the one you referred to) was revealed after the Battle of Uhud when Muslims had a set back. At that time, a Muslim from Madinah said, "I am going to live with Jews so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." And another person said, "I am going to live with Christians so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." So Allah revealed this verse reminding the believers that they should not seek the protection from others, but should protect each other. (See Ibn Kathir, Al-Tafsir, vol. 2, p. 68)

Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503543362&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

EDIT: Other links: http://www.dawanet.com/concepts/nonmuslimfriend.asp

http://www.themodernreligion.com/bas...nonmuslims.htm

http://alghazzali.org/resources/articles/friendship.pdf

... Allah knows best.

snakelegs

this is what i thought auliya meant!
anyway, continuation of the article paragraph from same link:

Muslims are allowed to have non-Muslims as friends as long as they keep their own faith and commitment to Islam pure and strong. You are correct in pointing out that a Muslim man is also allowed to marry a Jewish or Christian woman. It is obvious that one marries someone for love and friendship. If friendship between Muslims and Jews or Christians was forbidden, then why would Islam allow a Muslim man to marry a Jew or Christian woman? It is the duty of Muslims to patronize Muslims. They should not patronize any one who is against their faith or who fights their faith, even if they were their fathers and brothers. Allah says: [O you who believe! Take not for protectors (awliya') your fathers and your brothers if they love unbelief above faith. If any of you do so, they are indeed wrong-doers.] (Al-Tawbah 9: 23)

In a similar way, the Qur'an also tells Muslims that they should never patronize the non-Muslims against other Muslims. However, if some Muslims do wrong to some non-Muslims, it is Muslims' duty to help the non-Muslims and save them from oppression. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that he himself will defend a Dhimmi living among Muslims to whom injustice is done by Muslims. But Islam also teaches that Muslims should not seek the patronage of non-Muslims against other Muslims. They should try to solve their problems among themselves. Allah Almighty says, [Let not the Believers take the unbelievers as their patrons over against the Believers…] (Aal-'Imran 3: 28)

He Almighty also says: [O you who believe! Take not for patrons unbelievers rather than Believers. Do you wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?] (An-Nisaa’ 4:144)

so the way i see it - if your imaan is strong, you should be quite capable of having non-muslims as friends.

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snakelegs nusrat fanatic Status: Offline Posts: 6,243 Reputation: 28381 Rep Power: 59 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Way of Life: Agnostic	Re: It is haraam to take kaafirs as close friends and protectors - 02-29-2008 this is what i thought auliya meant! anyway, continuation of the article paragraph from same link: Muslims are allowed to have non-Muslims as friends as long as they keep their own faith and commitment to Islam pure and strong. You are correct in pointing out that a Muslim man is also allowed to marry a Jewish or Christian woman. It is obvious that one marries someone for love and friendship. If friendship between Muslims and Jews or Christians was forbidden, then why would Islam allow a Muslim man to marry a Jew or Christian woman? It is the duty of Muslims to patronize Muslims. They should not patronize any one who is against their faith or who fights their faith, even if they were their fathers and brothers. Allah says: [O you who believe! Take not for protectors (awliya') your fathers and your brothers if they love unbelief above faith. If any of you do so, they are indeed wrong-doers.] (Al-Tawbah 9: 23) In a similar way, the Qur'an also tells Muslims that they should never patronize the non-Muslims against other Muslims. However, if some Muslims do wrong to some non-Muslims, it is Muslims' duty to help the non-Muslims and save them from oppression. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that he himself will defend a Dhimmi living among Muslims to whom injustice is done by Muslims. But Islam also teaches that Muslims should not seek the patronage of non-Muslims against other Muslims. They should try to solve their problems among themselves. Allah Almighty says, [Let not the Believers take the unbelievers as their patrons over against the Believers…] (Aal-'Imran 3: 28) He Almighty also says: [O you who believe! Take not for patrons unbelievers rather than Believers. Do you wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?] (An-Nisaa’ 4:144) so the way i see it - if your imaan is strong, you should be quite capable of having non-muslims as friends. __________________ each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles question authority

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