naaaaa u dnt say lol
bro i was jus statin a fact & makin me point

Rape is a tool of harm and dominance, motivated by a desire to humiliate and hurt. Rapists respond to pain and fear, not desire for intimacy. Wearing hijab won't prevent rape- just ask the legions of Bosnian and Sudanese women who have been raped as a war crime. No piece of cloth will prevent rape- making the world safer for all will.

good point

assalaamu alaykum,

no it is a bad point. we are talking about two different things, one is the rape as a war crime to hurt and humiliate a people such as happened in bosnia and still happens all over the world today.

the other is about lust, it is about a certain attitude amongst men of seeing a woman and therefore wanting her.

now if he sees two women, one dressed very little, showing off all her 'assets' and the other dressed modestly and covering herself who is he going to go for?

there is also the issue of the fact that the kuffar no longer have fear of the muslims, when people take action and make sure these people are punished then people will fear even looking at a muslim women in the wrong way.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud

Rape is always about control. A man that rapes for the sake of being filled with lustful desires lacks the ability to control himself. A man that rapes in a war situation is exerting control of an innocent.

I don't understand your statement about kuffar no longer having fear over muslims. Are you suggesting that they should? I can understand a mutual respect. I can't understand one religious group fearing the other.

Muslims have little or no power in the world, it used to be the case that a Muslim woman was exposed, not even attacked and the whole muslim world would march to war against the people who wronged her.

This happened when Yazid, a tyrant amongst the early muslims heard of one muslim women being exposed by the romans. he sent a letter saying that this letter is at the head of the army, the back of the colemn only now leaves medina.

long after that no roman would think of looknig at a muslim woman, the kuffar (disbelivers) should fear those who bring justice only if they are injust but islam has come to end oppression whether that be amongst the muslims or non-muslims.

Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation.

a 'criminal (rapist)' will rape a child, a baby, an animal and sometimes a guy too...

*sigh... i dunno what is happening in this world...

sign of the end of the world..

But it IS a valid Islamic position according to some... Sheikh Feiz Muhammad, a Salafi made this point only last year.

I'm asking is there ANY substance to this claim? Daleel please...

For the record, I don't think there IS any substance to the best of my knowlege.

Subhanallah. the limits you will go to to deny and reject hijab!

You got that right.

I knew exactly where this was going as soon as i read the title.

I don't think she's trying to deny or reject hijab. She's saying that hijab doesn't protect from rape!

No you should read the thread on hijaab elsewhere in the forum. She denies hijaab at whatever oppurtunity. And i would just like to say hijaab does protect from rape. Look at the levels of rape in countries like Saudi Arabia and compare them to America or UK. in Uk One in 40 women have been raped. Hijaab maintains modesty and decraeses the chances of molestation

I disagree. I'm sure this has been debated in other hijaab related threads.

Unfair, unfair.

We are discussing rape here. My position is that a victim is not responsible for the actions of a rapist, and that a rapist will pick a victim based on different factors - and that veiling doesn't help. How many nuns are raped? How many muhajjabat and munaqqabat are raped?

I respect the rights of others to veil, but they don't do so to prevent rape, because rape is about power. Modesty - whatever the choice - isn't about rape, it's about appropriate interactions between human beings.

A rapist is not concerned with modesty. A modest woman isn't safer - and don't try the old "naked woman" red herring, because rapists are rapists. Why would someone rape a naked woman? That's not the issue for Muslims, it's about their lowering the eyes and not thinking about adultery.

I've never met anyone who was like, "she was so hot, i'd rape her!" It just doesn't play into normal sexual situations.

So my opinions on veiling are irrelevant for this conversation. (Besides which, I still believe in modesty.)