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Default Re: Hijaab and rape... - 05-17-2006

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And i would just like to say hijaab does protect from rape. Look at the levels of rape in countries like Saudi Arabia and compare them to America or UK. in Uk One in 40 women have been raped. Hijaab maintains modesty and decraeses the chances of molestation
The UN WHO survey says that 30 percent of rural Bangladesh women describe their first sexual experience as "forced". That's about 1 in 3.

Of course hijab is not properly enforced there. But it is more common than in Britain.
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Default Re: Hijaab and rape... - 05-17-2006




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The Noble Qur'an - An-Nur 24:30

Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do.

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.

Its so ironic how Allaah Almighty says:
Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things)..

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things)..
& directly after that:

..and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them.
..and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment

Therefore its obvious that Allaah Almighty says that males and females should lower their gaze, that the women should not show their adornments (except to the mahrams) and that they should all protect their private parts from illegal sexual acts.


So just think about it - if the man was to lower his gaze, and protect his private parts from illegal sexual acts - he wouldn't be a rapist.


Therefore Allaah Almighty behind His Eternal Wisdom put the verses in this certain order to show that these crimes can be prevented if a person just lowers his/her gaze, and if the woman covers her adornments - the chance of rape will be really low.

This is then reinforced because Allaah Almighty tells both males and females to protect their private parts from illegal sexual acts.


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The UN WHO survey says that 30 percent of rural Bangladesh women describe their first sexual experience as "forced". That's about 1 in 3.

Of course hijab is not properly enforced there. But it is more common than in Britain.

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Default Re: Hijaab and rape... - 05-18-2006

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Its so ironic how Allaah Almighty says: "..and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them."
Your argument is specious. Those are INTERPOLATIONS INTO THE TEXT - you have added the bits in the parentheses.

There is no reason to think this verse is about rape. Rapists aren't motivated by seeing your hair; this causes problems by causing lust in the opposite sex, not by stimulating a rapist. A rapist goes out looking for victims, and a veil isn't going to stop anyone.
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Default Re: Hijaab and rape... - 05-18-2006

I'm curious if anyone who thinks a veil would protect a women from rape, ever has desires to rape unveiled women (or personally know men who have these desires)?
   
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Default Re: Hijaab and rape... - 05-18-2006

A true Moslem male could have a naked woman pass before him and still keep his gaze firmly downwards as he removed himself from her presence.
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Is the position that a woman, Moslem or not, who does not wear hijaab, is eligible for rape, a valid one?

Who holds that position?

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It is her sin because it is not in accordance with the Hijab of Islam.
Therefore both the rapist and the woman (not dressed well) are sinful
How should the man be punished?

How should the woman be punished?

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It does save one from rape. Imagine two women. One covered in hijab and one showing her body. Who is more at risk?

The woman who is smaller and weaker as she will find it hard to defend herself.
   
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Brother Dishdash, you should rephrase your question because there is no such thing as an 'eligible' rape.

As for the hijab yes indeed it is for protection. Allah(swt) had directed ALL muslim women to dress modestly to protect her from the evils lurking around.

In Islam, there is a reason for everything. Any muslim woman you see out there is no wearing hijab for her own health, but rather for protection.

At the same time, it is the man's fault if he decides to rape a women. Rape is a crime period. Whoever has commited the crime, has commited the sin..it is not a matter of women don't cover up or not.

Men do their jobs by lowering the gaze and dressing modestly.
Women do their jobs by lowering the gaze and dressing modestly.

period.
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yup... it is one of the reasons to wear hijab....

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That is ridiculous. A hijab isn't protection. Someone who wants to rape someone does so for desire to harm women, not have sex. It's about dominance, not desire.

Wearing a hijab isn't going to save anyone from rape.
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Hijab saves you from the outside world. It is a protection for women. Hijab gives you modesty and let others respect you.
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a woman dressed indecently with attract more attention than one wearing hijab, therefore the former is more prone to assault. the sin of rape is on the rapist, but i think the victim if she was dressed indecently was not taking precautions to prevent the crime. its like locking your front door to keep away burglars, you can leave your home wide open and it could get robbed. the sin of robbery is not yours, but you could have done something to prevent it.
   
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The UN WHO survey says that 30 percent of rural Bangladesh women describe their first sexual experience as "forced". That's about 1 in 3.

Of course hijab is not properly enforced there. But it is more common than in Britain.
i think for rural bangladeshi women, their first experience would be with their husband. it has nothing to do with hijab.
   
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a woman dressed indecently with attract more attention than one wearing hijab, therefore the former is more prone to assault. the sin of rape is on the rapist, but i think the victim if she was dressed indecently was not taking precautions to prevent the crime. its like locking your front door to keep away burglars, you can leave your home wide open and it could get robbed. the sin of robbery is not yours, but you could have done something to prevent it.
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