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Is the position that a woman, Moslem or not, who does not wear hijaab, is eligible for rape, a valid one?
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If the women doesn't dress modestly she'll put here self at risk
   
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Is the position that a woman, Moslem or not, who does not wear hijaab, is eligible for rape, a valid one?

subhanallah, where does this false notion come from?

if i walk through a park at night where muggers lurk is it my sin if i am robbed or theirs?

it is clearly their sin for doing the robbery, not mine for walking there. you could argue i was foolish, but the sin is theirs not mine.

in the same way, a woman dressed inappropiately is perhaps taking a greater risk than otherwise but her sin is not dressing properly, men still have their own duty to keep their trousers on.

uring caution upon a woman to help protect herself by dressing modestly is not the same as blaming her if she is attacked if she is not dressed modestly.

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If the women doesn't dress modestly she'll put here self at risk
That is ridiculous. A hijab isn't protection. Someone who wants to rape someone does so for desire to harm women, not have sex. It's about dominance, not desire.

Wearing a hijab isn't going to save anyone from rape.
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in the same way, a woman dressed inappropiately is perhaps taking a greater risk than otherwise but her sin is not dressing properly, men still have their own duty to keep their trousers on.
It is her sin because it is not in accordance with the Hijab of Islam.
Therefore both the rapist and the woman (not dressed well) are sinful
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Check documentry about hijab

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That is ridiculous. A hijab isn't protection. Someone who wants to rape someone does so for desire to harm women, not have sex. It's about dominance, not desire.

Wearing a hijab isn't going to save anyone from rape.
It does save one from rape. Imagine two women. One covered in hijab and one showing her body. Who is more at risk?
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That is ridiculous. A hijab isn't protection. Someone who wants to rape someone does so for desire to harm women, not have sex. It's about dominance, not desire.

Wearing a hijab isn't going to save anyone from rape.
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It is her sin because it is not in accordance with the Hijab of Islam.
Therefore both the rapist and the woman (not dressed well) are sinful

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you saying she is sinful for the rape?

no, she is sinful for not covering properly, not for the man raping her. that is his choice and his sin.

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Is the position that a woman, Moslem or not, who does not wear hijaab, is eligible for rape, a valid one?
Rape is a crime. There is no such thing as being 'eligible' for it.

Br. Dawud stated it perfectly.

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Is the position that a woman, Moslem or not, who does not wear hijaab, is eligible for rape, a valid one?

i dont quite get ur question..wat exactly do you mean? As in will she get the blame? Would she still get raped wid hijab on or wat? ..sorry..i jus dont get ur question..
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brother Dawud what I was saying is that it is her sin if she doesnt cover herself properly
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one can go out naked, but no1 has d rite 2 rape dem!! if dey do den dats der sin,

also if 1 dnt wear d hijab, its der sin & but dey wont get punished if dey get eyed up or raped! dats d person who does it, der sin!!
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one can go out naked, but no1 has d rite 2 rape dem!! if dey do den dats der sin,
one can not go out naked because it is against Islam hence a sin
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