Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician

**Abu Sayyad** · **Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-16-2007

Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician

Author: Shaykh Waheed Abdus-Salaam Baalee
Source: The Clear Path Translator: Abu Hibbaan and Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari
Published: Saturday 29th October, 2005

If the characteristics mentioned below are recognised in a person who attempts to heal someone, and if he possesses them then one should be certain that such a person is a magician.

The magician asks the name of the ill person and the name of the mother.
The magician requests some form of clothes of the ill person for example, shirt, hat or handkerchief.
Sometimes the magician requests an animal that he sacrifices without reciting "Bismillah (Begining in the name of Allaah)." then he rubs the blood of the animal on the person's body and he throws the rest on uninhabited land.
The magician writes spells and talismans (ta'weez).
The magician recites the spells and talisman that cannot be understood by normal people.
The magician gives the patient a veil that has boxes and the boxes contain numbers or letters.
The magician orders the patient to seclude himself from the people for a specific period and to lock himself in a room where sunlight cannot reach him.
The magician sometimes asks the patient not to touch water for a specific period which is normally forty (40) days. And this sign is clear evidence that the Jinn the magician uses are Christian.
The magician gives the patient some things that he needs to bury in the ground.
He gives the patient some papers that he needs to burn and inhale the smoke from the burning paper.
He may chant or murmur in a tongue or language that nobody understands.
The magician sometimes tells the patient his name, the name of his city and the reason for his visit, all as soon as he sees him.
The magician gives the patient a piece of paper or a plate with some letters inscribed on it, and the patient has to mix it with water and drink it.

If you see a single sign from these signs in a person and you become certain he is a magician then do not go to him otherwise the statement of the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) will apply to you:

"Whoever visited a fortune teller and believed in what was said to him then he has disbelieved in the religion revealed to Muhammad (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam)." [This hadeeth with its supports is Hasan, and Bazzaar, Ahmad and Haakim have narrated it. See also Saheeh al-Jaami (no.5939)]

**Abu Sayyad** · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-16-2007

There was also a question put to Shaykh Isam Rajab on IN,

Assalamu Alaikum Shaykh,

If a person who is considered 'holy' in performing 'Ruqya' calls out to some unseen beings (assuming they are Jinns) and uses them to perform the Ruqya. Instead of reciting Quran, he does this. Is this magic? Is this type of a person a magician?

Also what about a person who ascribes Ta'weez for the people and then tells them recite certain verses or certain names of Allah a certain number of times. And before he prescribes these, he asks for the person's name and the person's mother's name. Is this a type of person to be wary of? Is there magic being performed?

He replied:

Walaikum Assalam,

There's no one is holy. We all make mistakes and we all sin against Allah Subhanahu Wata'la as the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam said.
In regards to the person you mentioned he may be a magician or he may be a liar only. It depends on the case and it's very difficult to judge by discription only. Nevertheless, this practice is forbidden and we can ask people to mention the name of allah certain number of times through evidence. If there's no evidence then we can't do it. Asking for mother's name is a practice of magicians and liars also so he could be a magician or a soothsayer but definately not a righteous man.

http://talk.islamicnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=12365

**Woodrow** · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-16-2007

Before anybody else asks, I can not understand this part.

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8. The magician sometimes asks the patient not to touch water for a specific period which is normally forty (40) days. And this sign is clear evidence that the Jinn the magician uses are Christian.

What is the connection between Christians and not touching water for 40 days?

Al_Imaan · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-16-2007

This is a great article....the female adults in my family believe in these things especially: 4)The magician writes spells and talismans (ta'weez). I wish there was a way I could convince them that it's haram.....Thank Allah they haven't been to one of these people (or magicians) for a long time.....I just hate the fact that they could believe in such things.

*noor · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-16-2007

assalaamu alaikum

what if someone has something written on a piece of paper, maybe quran or looks like quran and then puts it in water and tells u to drink it so that ur healed?

does that mean that the person is a magician?

**Abu Sayyad** · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-16-2007

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What is the connection between Christians and not touching water for 40 days?

I am not sure, but I think it has to do something with the Christian belief of holy water.

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assalaamu alaikum

what if someone has something written on a piece of paper, maybe quran or looks like quran and then puts it in water and tells u to drink it so that ur healed?

does that mean that the person is a magician?

Leave it is the best advice I can give you. These things are best avoided and left because of the doubt. For the best explanation on these matters, you should listen to Shaykh Yasir Qadhi's explanation of Kitab At Tawheed,

http://hidayahonline.org/Kitaab%20At-Tawheed/

He explains such an incident in the explanations on the chapters on Magic. I urge you listen to the entire series as its one of the most informative lectures you'll ever hear.

*noor · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-16-2007

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Originally Posted by Al Madani

Leave it is the best advice I can give you. These things are best avoided and left because of the doubt. For the best explanation on these matters, you should listen to Shaykh Yasir Qadhi's explanation of Kitab At Tawheed,

http://hidayahonline.org/Kitaab%20At-Tawheed/

He explains such an incident in the explanations on the chapters on Magic. I urge you listen to the entire series as its one of the most informative lectures you'll ever hear.

ok jazakallah brother, what language is the lecture in?

**Abu Sayyad** · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-16-2007

English.

**Woodrow** · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-16-2007

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If the characteristics mentioned below are recognised in a person who attempts to heal someone, and if he possesses them then one should be certain that such a person is a magician.

What I find interesting is those very same traits are found in magicians throughout the world and in all cultures.

Sadly, they have very large followings

**Al Habeshi** · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-17-2007

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Originally Posted by Woodrow

Before anybody else asks, I can not understand this part.

What is the connection between Christians and not touching water for 40 days?

If I am not mistaken, the Gospels recall that Jesus, peace be upon him, was taken into the wilderness for 40 days where he fasted and was tempted byt he Devil.

I think its 40 days.

Scents of Jannah · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-17-2007

Interesting.. is there a book on this? Would love to read it inshaAllah.

Skillganon · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-17-2007

At this moment and far as my knowledge and awareness is, I really do not see clear evidence especially with the number 8: i.e. the connection with the christian Jinn.

Scents of Jannah · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-17-2007

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8. The magician sometimes asks the patient not to touch water for a specific period which is normally forty (40) days. And this sign is clear evidence that the Jinn the magician uses are Christian.

I'm sorry, I do not wish to offend christian members by saying this.

Note the patient is prohibited from touching water for 40 days i.e. he cannot do wudhu/ghusal and therefore remain in a state of impurity. Which means he cannot offer salah or recite the Quran. This is because christians jinns don't do that. So it must be a way to please the christian jinn in order to get their help. I think that makes sense.

**Woodrow** · **Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician -** 01-17-2007

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Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis

I'm sorry, I do not wish to offend christian members by saying this.

Note the patient is prohibited from touching water for 40 days i.e. he cannot do wudhu/ghusal and therefore remain in a state of impurity. Which means he cannot offer salah or recite the Quran. This is because christians jinns don't do that. So it must be a way to please the christian jinn in order to get their help. I think that makes sense.

That makes sense. For the life of me I could not think of any Christian association between Christianity and no water for 40 days. It would effectivaly remove a person from practicing Islam for 40 days and that would be of joy to Christian Jinn.

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Abu Sayyad *iwannagetmarried.com* Status: Offline Posts: 6,826 Reputation: 50261 Rep Power: 91 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician - 01-16-2007 Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician Author: Shaykh Waheed Abdus-Salaam Baalee Source: The Clear Path Translator: Abu Hibbaan and Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari Published: Saturday 29th October, 2005 If the characteristics mentioned below are recognised in a person who attempts to heal someone, and if he possesses them then one should be certain that such a person is a magician. The magician asks the name of the ill person and the name of the mother. The magician requests some form of clothes of the ill person for example, shirt, hat or handkerchief. Sometimes the magician requests an animal that he sacrifices without reciting "Bismillah (Begining in the name of Allaah)." then he rubs the blood of the animal on the person's body and he throws the rest on uninhabited land. The magician writes spells and talismans (ta'weez). The magician recites the spells and talisman that cannot be understood by normal people. The magician gives the patient a veil that has boxes and the boxes contain numbers or letters. The magician orders the patient to seclude himself from the people for a specific period and to lock himself in a room where sunlight cannot reach him. The magician sometimes asks the patient not to touch water for a specific period which is normally forty (40) days. And this sign is clear evidence that the Jinn the magician uses are Christian. The magician gives the patient some things that he needs to bury in the ground. He gives the patient some papers that he needs to burn and inhale the smoke from the burning paper. He may chant or murmur in a tongue or language that nobody understands. The magician sometimes tells the patient his name, the name of his city and the reason for his visit, all as soon as he sees him. The magician gives the patient a piece of paper or a plate with some letters inscribed on it, and the patient has to mix it with water and drink it. If you see a single sign from these signs in a person and you become certain he is a magician then do not go to him otherwise the statement of the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) will apply to you: "Whoever visited a fortune teller and believed in what was said to him then he has disbelieved in the religion revealed to Muhammad (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam)." [This hadeeth with its supports is Hasan, and Bazzaar, Ahmad and Haakim have narrated it. See also Saheeh al-Jaami (no.5939)] __________________ هَلْ جَزَاء الْإِحْسَانِ إِلَّا الْإِحْسَانُ؟ Is there any reward for good other than good? [ar-Rahman: 60] "However, keep in mind that you must instruct the people with kindness and mercy. Don’t take this answer and shove it in their faces.* Be kind, gentle and patient.*" - Imam Suhaib Webb, advising after giving an answer. O Allah, Lord of Jibril, Mika'il and Israfil, Creator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants concerning that wherein they differ. Guide me with regard to that wherein there is dispute concerning the truth by Your leave, for You guide whomsoever You will to the straight path. Oh Allah, I seek refuge in You lest I misguide others, or I am misguided by others, lest I cause others to err or I am caused to err, lest I abuse others or be abused, and lest I behave foolishly or meet with the foolishness of others.

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Abu Sayyad *iwannagetmarried.com* Status: Offline Posts: 6,826 Reputation: 50261 Rep Power: 91 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician - 01-16-2007 There was also a question put to Shaykh Isam Rajab on IN, Assalamu Alaikum Shaykh, If a person who is considered 'holy' in performing 'Ruqya' calls out to some unseen beings (assuming they are Jinns) and uses them to perform the Ruqya. Instead of reciting Quran, he does this. Is this magic? Is this type of a person a magician? Also what about a person who ascribes Ta'weez for the people and then tells them recite certain verses or certain names of Allah a certain number of times. And before he prescribes these, he asks for the person's name and the person's mother's name. Is this a type of person to be wary of? Is there magic being performed? He replied: Walaikum Assalam, There's no one is holy. We all make mistakes and we all sin against Allah Subhanahu Wata'la as the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam said. In regards to the person you mentioned he may be a magician or he may be a liar only. It depends on the case and it's very difficult to judge by discription only. Nevertheless, this practice is forbidden and we can ask people to mention the name of allah certain number of times through evidence. If there's no evidence then we can't do it. Asking for mother's name is a practice of magicians and liars also so he could be a magician or a soothsayer but definately not a righteous man. http://talk.islamicnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=12365 __________________ هَلْ جَزَاء الْإِحْسَانِ إِلَّا الْإِحْسَانُ؟ Is there any reward for good other than good? [ar-Rahman: 60] "However, keep in mind that you must instruct the people with kindness and mercy. Don’t take this answer and shove it in their faces.* Be kind, gentle and patient.*" - Imam Suhaib Webb, advising after giving an answer. O Allah, Lord of Jibril, Mika'il and Israfil, Creator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants concerning that wherein they differ. Guide me with regard to that wherein there is dispute concerning the truth by Your leave, for You guide whomsoever You will to the straight path. Oh Allah, I seek refuge in You lest I misguide others, or I am misguided by others, lest I cause others to err or I am caused to err, lest I abuse others or be abused, and lest I behave foolishly or meet with the foolishness of others.

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Al_Imaan ThE tRuTh Status: Offline Posts: 1,901 Reputation: 8648 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: N/A Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician - 01-16-2007 This is a great article....the female adults in my family believe in these things especially: 4)The magician writes spells and talismans (ta'weez). I wish there was a way I could convince them that it's haram.....Thank Allah they haven't been to one of these people (or magicians) for a long time.....I just hate the fact that they could believe in such things. __________________

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noor LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 2,913 Reputation: 3326* Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New York Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician - 01-16-2007 assalaamu alaikum what if someone has something written on a piece of paper, maybe quran or looks like quran and then puts it in water and tells u to drink it so that ur healed? does that mean that the person is a magician? __________________

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Skillganon Skillganon Status: Offline Posts: 2,497 Reputation: 3280 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Some Characteristics To Recognise In A Magician - 01-17-2007 At this moment and far as my knowledge and awareness is, I really do not see clear evidence especially with the number 8: i.e. the connection with the christian Jinn. __________________ Advertisment: MY PERSONAL PAGE Atomic Bomb - Mushroom Cloud Cloud Blast from.