salaam
Bismillah Ir Rahman Nir Raheem

when people buy a new house or somethin or just generally they have these gatherings where they read the quran together, is that a bidaah?

from my knowledge i dont think RasoolAllah (sal Allah hu aleyhi wasalam) did it, so therefore = bidah??

but some say whats wrong with reading Quran and how can it be a bidah? lol so any help? daleel?

jazakhallah

The Prophet would recite it while in the company of Jibril a.s. and also in the company of his Companions. I don't see how reciting Quran in groups can be bidaah. It allows the the more 'alim to correct mistakes of the other.





All Hadiths are from Sahih Bukhari

I think the basic rule is that the people of Ahlus Sunnah [the people of Sunnah] look at the Prophetic example and the way of the Sahabah to see how they did their acts of worship - then we follow them in that.

The people of Bid'a [innovation] don't even bother to look into how Allaah's Messenger or his companions did the ibaadah [worship] - they follow the way of their 'forefathers' (or copy someone else who never had any proof from Qur'an or Sunnah, who else do they get this form of worship from?) and they start doing the act. Then later on if someone tries to ask them why they doing it, they try to find the evidence for it later.


Therefore, if someone does any act of worship - they have to bring forward the evidence to prove that what they are doing is in accordance with the Sunnah [Prophetic way.] If they don't - then they're the ones doing the wrong.

So we have to see if the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) did it in groups with his companions, if he never - we do what he did, and we stop where he stopped.


And Allaah knows best.

i feel my post going to be offensive for you, but i just wanna know, were you leaving all your salaah until you discovered all the evidences abt the differenet postions in salaah?


i'll then have to ask you evidence of some positon in salaah. really curious

wallahi all this confusion is because people dont understand taqleed.

wallahil azeem thats the only reason.

may Allah grant us understanding to go to the learned men

EDIT!

Completely took it out of context...sry was busy at work today...Astaghfirullah, forgive if i have offended

..Ih dinas siratal Mustakeem...

chacha,

seriously man why dont you go talk to a mufti? man seriously askin for misguidance by chattin to nex laymenz about these kind of things.


Allahu a'lam man but serious, we gotta take who we take our islaam from more seriously then this.

may Allah guide us all.


sorry i kno i asked questions n that before myself, but its recently i realised that "go to the learned men" <--- this ayyat isnt a joke, we gotta take this seriously man

What has taqleed got to do with this? And it's not a question of whether reading Qur'an is bid'ah, it's whether reading it in groups is bid'ah.

Ibn 'Umar RadhiyAllahu 'anhu said:

"Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it as something good."

Abu Shaamah (no. 39).

Sufyaan ath-Thowree (rahima-hullaah) mentions:

"Innovation is more beloved to Iblees than sin, since a sin may be repented from but innovation is not repented from."

al-Laalikaa'ee - Sharh Usool I'tiqaad Ahlis-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah (no. 238)

Please lets stay with the original topic now. Any other discussions are for another thread.

yeah akhi,

Allah SWT says in Surat al-Nisa, (interpretation of the meaning)

" If they had referred it to the Messenger and to those of authority among them, then those of them whose task it is to find it out would have known the matter " (Qur'an 4:83)


" Ask those who recall, if you know not " (Qur'an 16:43),

wa alaikum ussalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

^ ukhtee i could refute both those hadith right now but will you listen to me with an open heart?

taking hadith out of context is something very dangerous, please dont do it inshaAllah.

we have seen from the lips of such great ulama that there is infact bid'a hasanat.

oh and sis, wallahi those two hadith are well known to me, may Allah save me from evil bid'a.



ON TOPIC

you want to know wat taqleed has to do with this topic, if he simply went to a learned mufti who he trusts, whos been through university and studied etc and asked him, he could even ask for proof if he really likes which is not necessary as we've seen from ibn shayba rahimahullah's books (unless you wanna argue with someone linked to abu hanifa rahimahullah) and many many other hadith books, then chacha could avoid all this confusion you see and get a clear answer and a clear conciounce (how do u spell that??) but by asking us and trying to derive OUR EVIDENCE HIMSELF his only THROWING HIMSELF IN CONFUSION>



^ is that hard to understand?


forgive me if i sound harsh, but im worried about each and every one of us, wallahi i am because i love all ma brothers and sisters in islam.

ya Allah please guide us...

I don't think anyone here intends to start making fataawa themselves. Ofcourse, we should go to the men and women of knowledge. Perhaps the brother was asking if any of us knew of any fataawa regarding this subject? There's no harm in posting up fataawah is there?

And i'm going to follow the overwhelming majority of scholars and say every bid'ah is evil. After all, kulli bid'atan dhalaala.

Now let's stay ON-TOPIC.

wa alaikum ussalaam

no, thats kool *phew*

may Allah help us stick to the majority of the ulama and to the 'ijmaa.

Ameen




i apologise if i caused any offence ukhtee, please accept inshaAllah

I found something relevant. I hope it benefits you inshaAllah.

Question: I just recently moved into my new house and my parents are thinking about having a ceremony where your parents, friends, and their children come over and read Sûrah YâSîn together. The purpose of doing this is to spread Allah's words in your house and keep it safe from evil. Is this right or wrong?

Answered by Sheikh Husayn al-Jabûrî, professor at Umm al-Qurâ University

A Muslim is requested to recite the Qur’ân continuously, for which he will be rewarded. The believer who recites the Qur’ân will be rewarded for every single letter he utters, which is from the infinite grace of Allah which He bestows upon whomever He pleases.

Reciting the Qur’ân is permissible in all legal circumstances and even in some special situations such as the treatment of ailments and seeking protection from the evils of people and Jinn.

However, what you describe is that your father intends to gather together his friends and their sons to recite Sûrah YâSîn because you moved into a new house. I consider such an act to be an unlawful innovation because of the way it is being carried out.

Otherwise, we are permitted to gather together for the remembrance of Allah and to review some part of the Qur’an and Sunnah or some Islamic legal matter. For this everyone will be rewarded.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Any group of people who sit together for the remembrance of Allah will be surrounded by angels, showered with mercy, blessed with tranquility, and Allah will remember them in the company of His angels.”

Mu`âwiyah relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) passed by a group of the Companions sitting together in a circle and asked: “What made you sit here?” They said: "We sit to remember Allah and praise Him.” The Prophet ( peace be upon him) said: “Gabriel has just came to me and informed me that Allah is speaking highly about you before His angels.”

A Muslim is allowed to protect himself, his money, and his house whenever he enters a temporary or permanent residence. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said : “Whoever resides in a place and says ‘I seek refuge with Allah’s complete words from the evils of everything He created' will not be hurt by anything until he leaves that place.”

Source

Lets just ask ourselves if the Messenger did it or did the Sahaba do it. If they did not do it, there is no benefit in it. We know how one of the Companions censured group