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The source of that hadith is sahih bukhari, as written in the post above.
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The source of that hadith is sahih bukhari, as written in the post above.
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It's a well known sahih hadith.
I've read it before, not online, in several books and pamphlets, but this time I got it from the internet.
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I hope when any one said that music is haraam .. don't content with this saying and STOP!!

because NOT ALL music are haraam .. WIND instruments & STRINGED instruments are HARAAM and other is NOT.

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just wondering mariam are u saying music is NOT haram?
   
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just wondering mariam are u saying music is NOT haram?
What Iam saying is NOT ALL music is haram ..

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oh...well instruments would you count as halal?
   
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As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Ma'aazif refers to singing and musical instruments. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) told us that at the end of time there will come a people who will allow these things just as they will allow alcohol, zina and silk. This is one of the signs of his Prophethood, for all of this has happened.

The hadeeth indicates that [musical instruments] are haram (prohibited), and condemns those who say they are halal (permissible), just as it condemns those who say that alcohol and zina are allowed. The aayaat and ahaadeeth that warn against singing and musical instruments are many indeed. Whoever claims that Allah has allowed singing and musical instruments is lying and is committing a great evil. We ask Allah to keep us from obeying our desires and the Shaytaan. Even worse and more seriously sinful than that are those who say it is mustahabb. Undoubtedly this stems from ignorance about Allah and His Religion; it is insolent blasphemy against Allah and lying about His Laws.

What is mustahabb (recommended) is to beat on the daff [simple hand drum] at weddings. This is mustahabb for women only, in order to announce the wedding and to distinguish it from fornication. There is nothing wrong with women singing amongst themselves, accompanied by the daff, so long as the songs contain no words that encourage evil or distract people from their duties. It is also a condition that this should take place among women only, and there should be no mixing with men. It should also not cause any annoyance or disturbance to neighbours. What some people do, of amplifying such singing with loudspeakers is evil, because of the disturbance it causes to other Muslims, neighbours and others. It is not permissible for women, in weddings or on other occasions, to use any instrument other than the daff, such as the oud, violin, rebab (stringed instrument) and so on. This is evil, and the only concession that women are given is that they may use the daff.

As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allah.

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unless ur using a legal source such as Apple Itunes
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Default Re: Downloading from the Internet - 02-06-2008

To be honest, I convert to a good citizen. YES, I can say it loud: All my Windows XP/VISTA etc...are all legal. YES, I bought then. I'm tired of always beeing afraid that I cannot make upgrades, security patches, etc....

Hey, even my favorite games, I bought them on Amazon. I just downloaded the game 'BioShock' recently. What a disaster. It took me ages to download (more than 6GB File) and when it was finally downloaded I got an heartattack: It was in italian. Arrrghhh. So I end up buying it.
Same story for good Internet Security. People, buy your software. At least, you can download everyday the new virus database and newest spam-threats.

I'm off from the 'download-all-what-you-can' trip, it's nonsense.


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oh...well instruments would you count as halal?
brother, what you mean by well instruments .. give me examples please.
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As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Ma'aazif refers to singing and musical instruments. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) told us that at the end of time there will come a people who will allow these things just as they will allow alcohol, zina and silk. This is one of the signs of his Prophethood, for all of this has happened.

The hadeeth indicates that [musical instruments] are haram (prohibited), and condemns those who say they are halal (permissible), just as it condemns those who say that alcohol and zina are allowed. The aayaat and ahaadeeth that warn against singing and musical instruments are many indeed. Whoever claims that Allah has allowed singing and musical instruments is lying and is committing a great evil. We ask Allah to keep us from obeying our desires and the Shaytaan. Even worse and more seriously sinful than that are those who say it is mustahabb. Undoubtedly this stems from ignorance about Allah and His Religion; it is insolent blasphemy against Allah and lying about His Laws.

What is mustahabb (recommended) is to beat on the daff [simple hand drum] at weddings. This is mustahabb for women only, in order to announce the wedding and to distinguish it from fornication. There is nothing wrong with women singing amongst themselves, accompanied by the daff, so long as the songs contain no words that encourage evil or distract people from their duties. It is also a condition that this should take place among women only, and there should be no mixing with men. It should also not cause any annoyance or disturbance to neighbours. What some people do, of amplifying such singing with loudspeakers is evil, because of the disturbance it causes to other Muslims, neighbours and others. It is not permissible for women, in weddings or on other occasions, to use any instrument other than the daff, such as the oud, violin, rebab (stringed instrument) and so on. This is evil, and the only concession that women are given is that they may use the daff.

As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allah.

Wa salaam

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thank you sister .. but did you said that singing is haraam, I believe that there a dissidence about music, however NO one said that singing is haram whether who sing is a man or woman ..

sister If you read the memoir of prophet Mohammad peace be upon him you can understand what Iam saying.

finally, I hope you read [The Revival of the Religions Sciences (Iḥyaʾ ʿulum al-dīn)] by Al-Ghazali .. On Music & singing.

I hope it can help you Insha'allah.
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Well yes of course. I had assumed illegal methods like torrents and peer to peer networking.
Those methods are not necessarily illegal. Sharing copyrighted material is illegal, yes, but that's not the only material that is available via those means.

I use torrents all the time to download concerts for which nobody owns the copyright, which is not against the law.

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and when it was finally downloaded I got an heartattack: It was in italian. Arrrghhh.
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If it's really a known sahih hadith, then explain why the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) listened to music, the muslim world listens to music. Walk in a Iranian street and you might hear the music, Saudi Arabia etc.
u say the prophet listened to music??????????? do u have any prooof?
Also why would you choose to accept the words of SOME (not all-actually the minority) scholars over the Prophet's and Allah's words???
I recall that one of the things that make a person disbelive in Allah is HATING SOMETHING THAT THE PROPHET TOLD US TO DO
(even if you do it but you just hate it)
brother i think you should think about what you are doing before you go of making false statements an ddebating over it with no Ilm

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