Downloading from the Internet - Page 4

czgibson · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-07-2008

Greetings,

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Originally Posted by muslimah421

u say the prophet listened to music??????????? do u have any prooof?

That's an excellent question. Let's see if an answer is forthcoming.

Kaitoli: I can see that you are resisting this information, and I can perfectly understand that it would be upsetting to discover that your religion forbids something you enjoy. You must do what you think is right, and I am sure you will.

Peace

Ramlah · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-07-2008

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Originally Posted by jzcasejz

You dismiss a commonly quoted Hadeeth and come up with the lamest of the lamest excuses. And to top it off, you make some nonsense about VVahhabi scholars. Many of the scholars of the past disallowed music too you know.

There's no point in arguing this anymore as this thread isn't getting anywhere. Salaam Bro.

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Originally Posted by muslimah421

u say the prophet listened to music??????????? do u have any prooof?

Also why would you choose to accept the words of SOME (not all-actually the minority) scholars over the Prophet's and Allah's words???
brother i think you should think about what you are doing before you go of making false statements an ddebating over it with no Ilm

Ma'salamah

(no offence)

Ebtisweetsam · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Kaitoli

No, I don't believe that music is haram...

Well then ur one in a million.....

Ebtisweetsam · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-07-2008

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Originally Posted by guyabano

@Kaitoli

....... but I get tears in my eyes because of too much emotion, when I listen Pucchini's 'Nessum Dorma' sing by Pavarotti. Oh man, I get chicken skin.

Peace

U would, u know, being a monkey and all

Kaitoli · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-07-2008

Salam Aleikum

Quote:

Originally Posted by muslimah421

u say the prophet listened to music??????????? do u have any prooof?

Also why would you choose to accept the words of SOME (not all-actually the minority) scholars over the Prophet's and Allah's words???
I recall that one of the things that make a person disbelive in Allah is HATING SOMETHING THAT THE PROPHET TOLD US TO DO
(even if you do it but you just hate it)
brother i think you should think about what you are doing before you go of making false statements an ddebating over it with no Ilm

Ma'salamah

(no offence)

Yes, I have proof that the prophet listened to music, I have asked a scholar about that.
I don't disbelieve in Allah, I believe in Allah and I am a muslim.
I don't hate what the prophet told us to do, he didn't tell us muslims to stop listening to music.

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Originally Posted by Ebtisweetsam

Well then ur one in a million.....

No, it's the opposite, it's you who are one in a billion. Just open the TV or travel to a muslim country and you will see that music is allowed and world wide over the muslim world. If I recall it correctly a country in Africa prohibited music, but the majority of muslim countries allows it. Though it doesn't matter, it's not what the muslims does which is important it is the Qu'ran and what the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) said

crayon · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-07-2008

Would you mind enlightening us all with this proof?

Kaitoli · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-07-2008

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Originally Posted by crayon

Would you mind enlightening us all with this proof?

How? Do you want me to speak with the scholar again with a tape recorder?

crayon · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-07-2008

You don't remember the hadith that stated that the prophet peace be upon him listened to music? Or the story of it?

Kaitoli · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-07-2008

When I asked the scholar I didn't ask for the hadith or the story, I asked him something similar to this.. "Did the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) listen to music" and he answered me.

jzcasejz · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Kaitoli

When I asked the scholar I didn't ask for the hadith or the story, I asked him something similar to this.. "Did the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) listen to music" and he answered me.

No the sister was asking can you remember what Hadeeth or sources the scholar gave in his reply to your question. And another thing, if you don't mind me asking, who and from where is this scholar?

Muslimah421 · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-08-2008

^^^ yeah who gave him the authority to speak against like 99% of this ummah's shcolars? brother you're stubburn with yiour belief but u never give us proof of anything???

Ebtisweetsam · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-08-2008

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Originally Posted by Kaitoli

When I asked the scholar I didn't ask for the hadith or the story, I asked him something similar to this.. "Did the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) listen to music" and he answered me.

Bro it sounds like ur a sufi... am i right? Music is definetly prohibited in islam, in the eyes of ALL sunni Muslim scholars.

Kaitoli · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-08-2008

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Originally Posted by jzcasejz

No the sister was asking can you remember what Hadeeth or sources the scholar gave in his reply to your question. And another thing, if you don't mind me asking, who and from where is this scholar?

The scholar is my father. We are kurds from Iraq.

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Originally Posted by Ebtisweetsam

Bro it sounds like ur a sufi... am i right? Music is definetly prohibited in islam, in the eyes of ALL sunni Muslim scholars.

I am not a sufi, I am a shia muslim.

jzcasejz · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-08-2008

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Originally Posted by Kaitoli

The scholar is my father. We are kurds from Iraq.

I am not a sufi, I am a shia muslim.

OK, JazaakAllaah Khayr for the clarification - all seems to make more sense now. Anyways, what was this topic originally about? Oh yeah, downloading of music, videos etc...

Well, downloading from the internet is not alltogether a "wrong" thing. But say you're downloading movies, software and music that is copyright, then that is forbidden in Islaam.

Where's the proof for all I said? I won't even bother since the daleel could "easily become corrupted by someone like, an atheist, muslim haters or other factions"

Kaitoli · **Re: Downloading from the Internet -** 02-08-2008

I have recently stopped downloading games because I find it haram for the PC, but I have a nintendo which I download games for yet, I heard before that there are so many ways to stop games to be exploited but they (the game producers) are still not doing anything, maybe this is because they want people to download it to later advertise to people they know.. for example... I download a new game... and I will tell my friend that this game is fun, and soon we both might buy it or it might result that we both download it..

Yes, the information could easily be corrupted if you find it on the internet ;)

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crayon be passionate! Status: Offline Posts: 935 Reputation: 4958 Rep Power: 10 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Downloading from the Internet - 02-07-2008 Would you mind enlightening us all with this proof? __________________ and the psychosis begins. a photographer, check out my work.

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crayon be passionate! Status: Offline Posts: 935 Reputation: 4958 Rep Power: 10 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Downloading from the Internet - 02-07-2008 You don't remember the hadith that stated that the prophet peace be upon him listened to music? Or the story of it? __________________ and the psychosis begins. a photographer, check out my work.

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Kaitoli Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 15 Reputation: 21 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Feb 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Downloading from the Internet - 02-07-2008 When I asked the scholar I didn't ask for the hadith or the story, I asked him something similar to this.. "Did the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) listen to music" and he answered me.

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Muslimah421 Al-Kul Yabki Status: Online Posts: 1,971 Reputation: 6897 Rep Power: 21 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portland, OR USA Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Downloading from the Internet - 02-08-2008 ^^^ yeah who gave him the authority to speak against like 99% of this ummah's shcolars? brother you're stubburn with yiour belief but u never give us proof of anything??? __________________ ^ Click ^

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Kaitoli Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 15 Reputation: 21 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Feb 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Downloading from the Internet - 02-08-2008 I have recently stopped downloading games because I find it haram for the PC, but I have a nintendo which I download games for yet, I heard before that there are so many ways to stop games to be exploited but they (the game producers) are still not doing anything, maybe this is because they want people to download it to later advertise to people they know.. for example... I download a new game... and I will tell my friend that this game is fun, and soon we both might buy it or it might result that we both download it.. Yes, the information could easily be corrupted if you find it on the internet ;)