Ah that's confusing! Nevertheless different 'schools' of thought indeed, because everyone has different opinons on various types of matter but the initial point that I was trying to make is that an opinion wether it be good or bad is just an opinon. Such as this by no means have to be substantiated with evidence. Now if I were to claim something as a fact and I soley insist that it is indeed a fact I will be bombarded with the question where is your source? When you will substantiate your evidence as such?




because you are talking to a female.

Well, I beg differ [hmm..that does sound nicer rather than, your opinion stinks big time!!!!!], there is a difference between this virtual world and the world we live in.

For regular people like me, I'm not going to ask a sister or my friend, who wears the hijaab, "where's the proof that Allah wants you to wear hijaab?". No, you can't go home and look it up. I want it right now. If you don't have any proof, don't even tell me hijaab is waajib.

While here, is someone asks, many of us would be so enthusiastic in looking for the correct ayaat to CUT and PASTE. It's so obvious that even the translated version of the verses sound so corny and not in normal usage. [well, no offence to the translators, but I actually wanted to write to them and tell them, brozer, use normal English please! Quran needs to be understood not a tool for English's verbosity].

Of course, that's my opinion. No proof needed. And I'm proud of it.

I love confusing people.

I see. Surely it could apply to certain fatwas though? I mean, for example, there are schools of thought which say as empirical FACT that 'TV is Haraam(TM)!', whereas other scholars are of the opinion that the television in and of itself is not haraam, but certain programmes on it are. Do you see where the lines of opinion and fact begin to blur?

My mother and sister are female, and I smile at them all the time. I know what you're saying.

My dear brother this is apart of the forum rules therefore it is not my educated opinon instead it is applied for everyone to do. Here in the forum (that is)


5. When quoting an article, story, poem, review or any written material, you must mention the author, if known to you, and the source from which you copied these materials.


Kaput...lol

Something as serious as this will more than likely be the only time when someone has to use evidence to back up their opinon. Otherwise it will become a controversial topic at the end. For instance, 2 scholars that argue about the same thing that have 2 different opinions are just two different opinons. They are not facts. No one has claimed it to be true therefore it is still an opinon. A scholar that that argues with another scholar over a serious topic in Islam would want to go back to the fatwa to prove his statement. I would say that it is how they interpret the fatwa. Some of them can interpret it in different ways and claim it to be a statement.



Tell me how should I take this? Sarcasim or literal?

Rules for this forum is not absolute. They are human made. Don't tell me, that people actually look up to these rules more than Quran and Sunnah. I don't believe that. If I know Kadafi and Ansar, they'll be the first one to refute the notion that the forum rules are to be followed verbatim without any lineancy.

These rules are guidelines. For example, your mumbo jumbo were not exact words of the forum rules. And the mumbo jumbo went kaput as soon as you typed your first alphabet. You only "quoted" the rules after I declared that your opinion was a mumbo jumbo. Which in my flimsy opinion, should have been done earlier [I like to do some other members a favor, too]

If the administrator of this forum have some sense, they will re think and re evaluate their rules once in a while. Don't tell me that Load Islam forum rules are perfect. Come on.

Wow, I love this thread. It's amusing!

You're right. In fact, we have made changes to the forum rules many times, and we may continue to do so.

Is this post your opinion or a valid progression of deliberating a fatwa known by the school of fiqh or is it an unwritten information that every muslim man or woman should know?

Scholars don't argue. They actually discuss the authencity of their ijtihad [if their fatwa is not found in absolutement from Quran and Sunnah, for example, the issue of cloning and in vitro fertilization] and they usually agree to disagree. That's why they're scholars. If they argue, they need to come and talk to me and I'm gonna knock some hard sense in their hard brains that obviously have been corrupted by their greed to have the final word on a fatwa.

Yes, this is a fact. Please go and buy [don't photocopy or download for free], the book entitled, The Etiquette of Seeking Knowledge by al Hidayah Publishing in Birmingham.

Zealots of school of fiqhs argue. Scholars don't.

Finally, I get to discuss things with very emotionally balanced people! Muezzin's great and Halima has been awesome.

Is this really happening to me?

Next tip: You are who what write?

It's not our place to judge people on how they use their words and where and where they use it. That's one opinion.

Others would say, yes,we can judge them. For example if someone uses sarcasm a lot in his posts, that means he's a very sarcastic person. Is that really true?

It's very funny indeed. When I read the atrocius post and labels of mediocrity that have been put on me recently, my desire was so inclined to say that this sister really needs help. Look at her. She's babbling. She seemed so upset. Did I upset her? Why? What made me "appear" in front of her and tell her all the things that I wrote?

Another scenario, one member advised me but also subtely implied that I was a bully. I wonder, what made her say that? What made her think that I'm a bully?

In all came down to one conclusion. People come to forum not only to "learn". Most of them NEED attention and to fill their inadequacy, which is a very humanly thing to do. I don't deny it. I made some wonderful friends over at the Brother's section. If you do, then thank you. I concede your being different.

They expect everyone to be the same.Their virtual friends always suck up to them and agree with their posts and if their virtual friends disagree, the sentence of disagreement is usually very glazed, sugarcoated and sprinkled so that their feelings wouldn't be hurt.

Is it realistic to have that expectations? No.

When you post your ideas, you are taking risk. They'll be people who will just say their mind and will not babysit you.

Read the posts in comparative religion section, see how blunt and straightforward the posts are.

Truly, this "you are what you write" usually only applies to "bad" posts per se.

For example, will you be willing to bet your bottom dollar that a person whose user name sounds muslim to you and is quoting hadeeth and quran left and right, begins his post with smileys and salam and sounds so polished in his sentence; is actually a wonderful person outside?

Many of us would say YES. Some sensible people among us would say NO.

Why is it that sensibility is not applied to a assumedly demeaning post? Is that person really like that? or are you just going to be cool about it and move on, after all, you live in a real world where your sentence construction, the way you speak, your composure and your confidence may just land you on a good job or otherwise.

On another note, it might just take you to jannah or hell.

I am not talking about wether the rules are human made or not. Or wether more people look at that more than the sunnah or quran. No. If so who cares? The main reason why I had posted up the rule was to generate my point by saying that anyone that refutes against something must always back it up with some evidence. Either you have tried to beat around the bush or you have just missed the whole concept of my point. Instead you had looked at this from the outside. I was talking about the rule in-depth. On the contrary I do agree with you I would find it hard to find anyone to care more about the forum rules than the Quran or hadith itself. That I know is way too obvious.

Thank you for your input and I appreciate your being very frank and not attack me but my post. I like that.

And my point is, sometimes, members cannot provide the proof and we can't dismiss their posts as failure to meet the burden of proof entirely.

If we can, we should help them.

There are ways other than using sugar glaze sentence to be nice.

Find the proof for that sister/brother to support his/her fatwa and say;

"bro/sis, i double checked that statement of yours, this is the proof for that".

Being nice doesn't mean that you use only seemingly pleasant sentence. We gotta think outside the box here, people.

thanks

Assalamu Alaikum

I've broken this up to add in my opinions, if you dont mind inshallah.
This thread is hilarious indeed mashallah. Very psychological.

sometimes is..sometimes isnt. It all depends on the reasons one comes on the forum for.

When someone is used to posts displayed a certain way to them, filled with smileys and what-nots for example, they probably will label you or judge you differently by the way you post. If someone posts straight forward, they might take you as mean or stuck-up, maybe even arrogant. All because <<this wasnt along with ur reply. Also this depends on which part of the forum.

Not always necissarily, some do indeed come to learn, and by doing so it is easiest to find a person that will teach them so they create a bond with that person. Others do come for attention, to make friends, to prove something, allahu a'lem whatever it is they come..and others are there to just simply spread a word, knowledge if you will. All should come to agree though that basically we are all here to fulfil a part of our minds or hearts that may feel empty or idle.

loooool virtual friends, that sounds hilarious..sorry kinda does.
Yea it happens, these sugar-glazed replies. Only cuz ppl want to bring out an friendly environment. sad tho that there are ppl who are suck ups subhanallah

agreed.

A risk of what? getting your emotions hurt?

That is the best section of the whole forum. Very intellectual.

I disagree. What exactly are you applying it to? Their personality? and what is it exactly that makes a post "bad"?

People need to get out more..but also it doesnt mean their prejudgements are wrong. I think we all, if not most, of us act differently in real life than in the "virtual" world.


fi aman Allah
w'salaam