I get your point. I too, would dislike to have the person(s) in my community, and I agree with you of how much of a serious issue this is.

But say a person did rape - now we don't know anything about this guy. He could've lost his Mother and Father at a very young age due to, let's say drug abuse. He could've had very bad parents and been taught bad manners. He could've been brought up in a very harsh neighbourhood and taught no respect whatsoever. He even could be on drugs himself - influenced by the people he grew up with.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that maybe he hasn't been taught manners at all throughout his life and ontop of that, had a very harsh life. Rape is not a light issue; bad childhood/friends/neighbourhood are likely to be causes of his rape. You'd just need to teach him. Teach him well, introduce to him the idea of religion, etiquette and respect. Let him live in a friendly, polite environment for a few days and let the people be an example to him. If all this has been done and he still rapes, I guess you could jump to harsh punishments.

I understand your point bro Ali,

Althogh I still do think that if the person is sane, i.e he/she knows what he/she is doing, then they should be killed.

This will also be a detterent to others, so other kids brought up bad will know it is bad to kill since they will hear about it.

I mean, roberry or something maybe even murder maybe you could say his/her upbringing, but rape, I dont think so.

Isn't that like saying the rape isn't his fault but someone elses? So he needs to be smacked on the wrist and be taught to be a good human being? If he's had bad influences in his life then he must've had some good one's too. Why just let the bad influences affect him? Why not learn from the good ones? His choice! His crime may have been a one-off, but his victim will have to relive the horror of his crime for the rest of her life. The least severe punishment should be chemical/physical castration if not death.

A punishment that was being considered for continous offenders here was, giving them a drug that would make them permaneantly unable to have children, so basically they can't do it again, but obviously that isn't enough, but it can just as well ruin the lives of the offenders

Well I agree with your first point, if they have been brought up and taught what is right and what is wrong and the rest of it, I guess punishment would be appropriate.

Yes it probably would.

I think rape could be because of his/her upbringing; because for example say the child was introduced to pornography at an early age, told it was OK and normal; excessive pornography can cause temptation to actually see/do the real thing. As the child grows up the child could get desperate; therfore resorting to rape. It is possible.

You know, sometimes upbringing can be horrible and good influences are rare. If there are good influences the parents could be telling the child what is wrong is OK. By this time the child would've looked up to his parents throughout his whole life and always listened the them, he would always listen to them no matter what. This is where you would need to let him live in a good neighbourhood and let the community be an example to him.

\Sorry, what's chemical castration?


Anyway, I don't believe in castration. It doesn't actually solve anything. That person would probably still have thoughts of rape-regrading this castration fails as a punishment. A punishment should raise the criminal's conciousness to the terrible deed he/she has done. It should be a time of penance and reflection. The whole idea of prison (for people in there temporarily anyway) is to make the criminal fit enough so when he/she is out he/she can function normally in society.

However in the case of rape it is indeed, as someone else has said in this thread, second only to murder. So it's a difficult situation. Castration seems excessive but when I think of rape victims it's only too apt.

I don't know my thoughts on whether enough punishment is given. I think it's a case of whether the punishments actually solve anything. In some sense prison fails-as proven by repeat rapists. This doesn't mean however that we should resort to screaming "castration!" and that is the only gripe I have I guess.

^ chemical castration is temporary castration caused by medication.

I can't help but think if people had screamed "castration!" when rape statistics first began rising, then we wouldn't be voicing our lack of tolerence here today.

After the head of the "rapist" hits the basket, following a fair trial. Incontrovetable evidence arises that the executed rapist was actually totally innocent.
Another man admits to it. He has his head chopped off.
Turns out he was mad. And he diddnt do it either.

If theyre in chokey and this happens , you can let them out. The only remit the dead get is a possibility of heaven.

beat them to hell and let them die in pain.

I all ways think they should be executed.


All those who voted other than the 1st option....
Im sure you wont agree with ur choice... when it really happens.

May ALLAH protect us.

Bro, you're too softhearted, really. How is it possible to do what you're saying? It isn't. When we state things should be done a certain way, we gotta remember the possibility of personally having to deal (God forbid) with a rapist too one day. Would be invite him to our midst and help him mend our ways when he's just raped a member of our family? I can't see how anyone can/will do that. It's on that basis I disagree with you.

The best thing would be to help people to the right Path before they succumb to evil temptations. As they say, prevention is better than cure.

The only reason you'd want to kill a rapist who raped a member of your family is out of anger. You think about how you'd feel if a member of your family was raped by someone, but have you ever thought if you were that rapist? Who was brought up emotionless, lived in a harsh environment/harsh neighbourhood and the rest of it which I'm not going to type all over again.

Plus as I said above, if the person was brought up correctly, taught what is good and what is bad and raped, then yes I agree with punishment. But you can't jump to punishments straight away without doing any thinking or background research on the rapist. It's like jailing a man who was taught that police were pigs, drugs don't do you any harm, robbery is an easy and acceptable way to earn money, and school is a waste of time, and to be harsh in life; kill, not to be too softhearted and spare the life of an innocent.

Do you think it would really be right to kill a man who would drown in confusion thinking what he had done was fine; everybody in his neighbourhood did it why was he getting killed for it?

As Muslims we should strive for applying the punishment prescribed by Allah.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1125407868541
The punishment for rape in Islam is the same as the punishment for zina (adultery or fornication), which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Moreover, Ibn `Abdul-Barr (may Allah bless his soul) said:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (that is, if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her. (Al-Istidhkaar, 7/146).

Bro Ali ^^^ these people are the ones with mental problems and that's fine but why give them three times..i don't agree with givng them chances three times..i only believe they get a chance first time nd tht's it....yes i know your talking about their conditioning and everything but no way after the first time if they get any1 tht's it...dey got their time to learn their lesson...second time their out