Gang Rape / Rape - Page 3

Souljette · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-12-2008

i think they should get a second chance but not a third chance

Souljette · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-12-2008

^^ nd dat also depends on the way they were brought up..their past or their mental problems nd only den dey shuld get a second chance

Ali. · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Souljette

^^ nd dat also depends on the way they were brought up..their past or their mental problems nd only den dey shuld get a second chance

Yes, I agree with you.

Scents of Jannah · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Ali.

The only reason you'd want to kill a rapist who raped a member of your family is out of anger. You think about how you'd feel if a member of your family was raped by someone, but have you ever thought if you were that rapist? Who was brought up emotionless, lived in a harsh environment/harsh neighbourhood and the rest of it which I'm not going to type all over again.

Plus as I said above, if the person was brought up correctly, taught what is good and what is bad and raped, then yes I agree with punishment. But you can't jump to punishments straight away without doing any thinking or background research on the rapist. It's like jailing a man who was taught that police were pigs, drugs don't do you any harm, robbery is an easy and acceptable way to earn money, and school is a waste of time, and to be harsh in life; kill, not to be too softhearted and spare the life of an innocent.

Do you think it would really be right to kill a man who would drown in confusion thinking what he had done was fine; everybody in his neighbourhood did it why was he getting killed for it?

Did I say I want rapists to be killed? I'm more for castration - even if the victim was a family member. You didn't answer my question. Would you sit down a person who'd done this injustice to a member of your family and help him change and justify his behavior because he'd been brought up in a harsh environment? Would you?

Everyone has emotions regardless of upbringing - that is unless you're brain dead or a zombie. Your profile of such a rapist is more of a do-gooder's imaginary 'I can change people' response than reality.

Most rapists are educated people who've had a normal upbringing. Anyone of these can rape under the influence of drink/drugs yet they might not have done so if they hadn't been under the influence. Do they deserve a second chance too? And above all how do you prove that the 'emotionless' rapist's upbringing was to blame? It could just be an excuse. Background checks prove nothing.

And anyway, if the rapist is 'emotionless' as you say, then why worry? He won't feel anything about being punished would he!?

So forget the tears - get the shears!

MustafaMc · 01:44 AM

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As Muslims we should strive for applying the punishment prescribed by Allah.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1125407868541
The punishment for rape in Islam is the same as the punishment for zina (adultery or fornication), which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Moreover, Ibn `Abdul-Barr (may Allah bless his soul) said:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (that is, if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her. (Al-Istidhkaar, 7/146).

'Black Annie' at Parchman Prison Farm, Mississippi

from "Worse than Slavery: Parchman Farm and the Ordeal of Jim Crow Justice", by David M. Oshinsky

New York Free Press, c.1996

There was more. The true symbol of authority and discipline at Parchman was a leather strap, three feet long and six inches wide, known as "Black Annie," which hung from the driver's belt. Whipping had a long history in the South, of course, and not only on the slave plantations. It had been legally, often publicly, employed against white criminals for a host of minor crimes, and it had survived long after other forms of corporal punishment, such as branding and ear cropping, had been abolished.
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At Parchman (MS state prison not far from where I live), formal punishment meant a whipping in front of the men. It was done by the sergeant, with the victim stripped to the waist and spread-eagled on the floor. What convicts most remembered were the sounds of Black Annie: the "whistlin'" air, the crack on bare flesh, the convict's painful grunt.
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Public opinion in Mississippi strongly supported the lash. Prison officials and sheriffs, politicians and judges, church groups and newspapers -- most seemed to favor its use. "The whip makes no appeal to hidden virtue," said The Jackson Clarion-Ledger," but it is a sure and effective means of planting fear ... in the hearts of [criminals]. It is retribution, and retribution hurts." No one knew this better than the convicts who had felt Black Annie's clout. Their fear and pain were heard across the fields. http://www.corpun.com/usprr2.htm

Although this kind of punishment has been banned in USA, it was an effective punishment in prisons of the old days in the Deep South.

Why do we have to execute the rapist? 100 lashes in public with "Black Annie" would certainly put the "fear of God" in him and deter him from further offenses.

barney · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-13-2008

Interesting to compare jewish-christian divine laws on the matter.

Deuteronomy 22:23
If a woman is raped in town, kill her and the rapist. She should have cried for help.
If In the countryside, kill the rapist alone, cos she might have screamed for help and noone heard her.

Nice and simple, although a bit flawed and kinda minus 18th centuryish.

crayon · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Ali.

The only reason you'd want to kill a rapist who raped a member of your family is out of anger. You think about how you'd feel if a member of your family was raped by someone, but have you ever thought if you were that rapist? Who was brought up emotionless, lived in a harsh environment/harsh neighbourhood and the rest of it which I'm not going to type all over again.

Plus as I said above, if the person was brought up correctly, taught what is good and what is bad and raped, then yes I agree with punishment. But you can't jump to punishments straight away without doing any thinking or background research on the rapist. It's like jailing a man who was taught that police were pigs, drugs don't do you any harm, robbery is an easy and acceptable way to earn money, and school is a waste of time, and to be harsh in life; kill, not to be too softhearted and spare the life of an innocent.

Do you think it would really be right to kill a man who would drown in confusion thinking what he had done was fine; everybody in his neighbourhood did it why was he getting killed for it?

Are you honestly trying to convince us that rapists don't know that what they're doing is wrong? If someone is screaming at the rapist to stop, and he don't, he still thinks that's completely a-ok to be doing what he's doing? Come on, no matter what kind of environment you've been raised it, if someone is yelling their lungs out, you've got to know there's something not right going on.

DAWUD_adnan · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-13-2008

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Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

personally, i think rapists should in turn be raped by gay men seriously and then they should be executed

BEST RESPONSE EVER.

Ali. · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis

Did I say I want rapists to be killed? I'm more for castration - even if the victim was a family member. You didn't answer my question. Would you sit down a person who'd done this injustice to a member of your family and help him change and justify his behavior because he'd been brought up in a harsh environment? Would you?

Everyone has emotions regardless of upbringing - that is unless you're brain dead or a zombie. Your profile of such a rapist is more of a do-gooder's imaginary 'I can change people' response than reality.

Most rapists are educated people who've had a normal upbringing. Anyone of these can rape under the influence of drink/drugs yet they might not have done so if they hadn't been under the influence. Do they deserve a second chance too? And above all how do you prove that the 'emotionless' rapist's upbringing was to blame? It could just be an excuse. Background checks prove nothing.

And anyway, if the rapist is 'emotionless' as you say, then why worry? He won't feel anything about being punished would he!?

So forget the tears - get the shears!

Sorry I misread your post.

CASTRATION! I guess it's a fair enough punishment.
To answer your question: if the upbringing was horrendous, then why not.

Background check proves nothing? I think not. Hence the name; check his background. It does more than nothing I can assure you.

I never said emotionless - I said maybe he thought what he was doing was OK since everybody in his neighbourhood talked about it/did it. Do I really have to repeat over and over again?

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Originally Posted by crayon

Are you honestly trying to convince us that rapists don't know that what they're doing is wrong? If someone is screaming at the rapist to stop, and he don't, he still thinks that's completely a-ok to be doing what he's doing? Come on, no matter what kind of environment you've been raised it, if someone is yelling their lungs out, you've got to know there's something not right going on.

I am not trying to convince you anything. This thread was meant to have people posting their different opinions when suddenly I am bashed by 3 or more people.

You could be right - maybe I am wrong. It was an opinion only. Maybe Allah (SWT) has created mankind to think for themselves no matter what environment put in, I don't know.

Crazy_Lady · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-13-2008

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Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

personally, i think rapists should in turn be raped by gay men seriously and then they should be executed

^LOL! They should be punsihed severely...Dunno what could be a harsh punsihment though...Stoned to death?

So others can learn from their mistakes...

Scents of Jannah · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Ali.

Sorry I misread your post.

CASTRATION! I guess it's a fair enough punishment.
To answer your question: if the upbringing was horrendous, then why not.

Background check proves nothing? I think not. Hence the name; check his background. It does more than nothing I can assure you.

Brother, I'm not bashing you at all lol. Please don't take it personally. I'm against your idea not you. Please forgive me if it seemed like a personal attack.

Back ground checks can only prove that the rapist had a bad upbringing, not the reason for commiting the rape. There are millions of people who've been brought up undesirably. If all of them were to rape due to that reason, none of us would be safe. A psychologist once said that it is impossible to read anyone's mind. They can only assess by what information they receive from that person. So, checks aren't a foulproof method of proving that a person's upbringing was to blame for the crime.

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I never said emotionless - I said maybe he thought what he was doing was OK since everybody in his neighbourhood talked about it/did it. Do I really have to repeat over and over again

You did say 'emotionless' but I won't bother quoting it. You really think that somewhere in the world a place full of people exists who think it's ok to rape and they talk about doing it? And a poor brain-washed rapist then decides he wants to do it too? But we got to let him off cuz he was brought up in Rape County? Lol, that's just a really absurd notion you have.

Whatsthepoint · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-13-2008

I don't think anyone in their right mind would comit a rape. I agree with Ali, rapists are a product of different factors, ranging from domestic violence and school bullying to the lack of proper morals (...) in one's upbringing.
So I don't think they should be executed or anything like that. Chemical castration seems like a better idea, and jail time naturally.

how many witnesses (if any) are required in Islam for a rape to be proven and the rapist put to death?

Ali. · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis

Brother, I'm not bashing you at all lol. Please don't take it personally. I'm against your idea not you. Please forgive me if it seemed like a personal attack.

Back ground checks can only prove that the rapist had a bad upbringing, not the reason for commiting the rape. There are millions of people who've been brought up undesirably. If all of them were to rape due to that reason, none of us would be safe. A psychologist once said that it is impossible to read anyone's mind. They can only assess by what information they receive from that person. So, checks aren't a foulproof method of proving that a person's upbringing was to blame for the crime.

You did say 'emotionless' but I won't bother quoting it. You really think that somewhere in the world a place full of people exists who think it's ok to rape and they talk about doing it? And a poor brain-washed rapist then decides he wants to do it too? But we got to let him off cuz he was brought up in Rape County? Lol, that's just a really absurd notion you have.

Background checks connote reasons for commiting the rape. Ofcourse it won't give you a definite answer as to why he did it.

Alright then, what do you think the reasons are if someone rapes someone?
No reason at all? Do you think he/she was just bored and decided to go outside and rape someone?
There is a reason behind everything, and that's why we do research on the guy; to find out that reason.

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You really think that somewhere in the world a place full of people exists who think it's ok to rape and they talk about doing it?

I have met a guy who takes it as a joke and talks about rape/sex a lot of the time. And guess what? His parents separated when he was young, he's had a pretty harsh life, and some other personal stuff that I'm not going to say on this forum.

crayon · **Re: Gang Rape / Rape -** 04-13-2008

Does your friend know that rape is wrong?

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Souljette Souljette Of Allah Status: Offline Posts: 1,771 Reputation: 6482 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: All over the place Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Gang Rape / Rape - 04-12-2008 i think they should get a second chance but not a third chance __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]“The believers in their mutual kindness, compassion and sympathy are just like one body. When one of the limbs is afflicted, the whole body responds to it with sleeplessness and fever”.

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Souljette Souljette Of Allah Status: Offline Posts: 1,771 Reputation: 6482 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: All over the place Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Gang Rape / Rape - 04-12-2008 ^^ nd dat also depends on the way they were brought up..their past or their mental problems nd only den dey shuld get a second chance __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]“The believers in their mutual kindness, compassion and sympathy are just like one body. When one of the limbs is afflicted, the whole body responds to it with sleeplessness and fever”.

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barney Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 2,477 Reputation: 8201 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic	Re: Gang Rape / Rape - 04-13-2008 Interesting to compare jewish-christian divine laws on the matter. Deuteronomy 22:23 If a woman is raped in town, kill her and the rapist. She should have cried for help. If In the countryside, kill the rapist alone, cos she might have screamed for help and noone heard her. Nice and simple, although a bit flawed and kinda minus 18th centuryish.

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Whatsthepoint Agnostic revert Status: Offline Posts: 1,909 Reputation: 5661 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic	Re: Gang Rape / Rape - 04-13-2008 I don't think anyone in their right mind would comit a rape. I agree with Ali, rapists are a product of different factors, ranging from domestic violence and school bullying to the lack of proper morals (...) in one's upbringing. So I don't think they should be executed or anything like that. Chemical castration seems like a better idea, and jail time naturally. how many witnesses (if any) are required in Islam for a rape to be proven and the rapist put to death?

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crayon &we drive. Status: Offline Posts: 1,382 Reputation: 9543 Rep Power: 19 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Middle East Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Gang Rape / Rape - 04-13-2008 Does your friend know that rape is wrong? __________________ a photographer, check out my work. Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, La Illaha Ila Allah (go on, make some takbeer! it's the first 10 days of the month of Dhul Hijjah!)
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