Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... - Page 2

Eeman · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

Koi bole ram, koi khuda, koi sevakgosian, koi allahi. So many names of God, but he remins one. Please use your brain child. God is one you CAN'T patent his name!!!

Guru Nanak or any other Guru was not muslim or hindu he makes that clear in his verses NA MAIN HINDU NA MAIN MUSLAMAN!

dear brother, i suggest you READ the whole thread i was not the one saying guru nanak was muslim as far as im concerned guru nanak was sikh hence why he brought about sikhism, common logic i must say.

i'm sorry as regards ram i do not agree with you there you cannot associate the Almighty Lord who is unseen to a man made idol named ram, khuda is the persian word for God is urdu the same. you do not get english christians refering to jesus as khuda. i dont even know what sevakgosian means so im not gonna refer to that i tried googling it but nothing came up.
yet again Allah means God in arabic so makes sense for arabic speakers to refer to their God be it muslims or christian arabs.

we believe God is one, christians dont, hindus dont you might, but for someone to have such believes and call upon God by saying hai ram errr doesnt that contradict their whole believe?

Eeman · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

It's the one. This mention of God in the scrptures shows what other religions do not reflect this. That there is only one God and not a God for Muslims and one for Christians and one for tha troll who lives under the bridge...

God in Panjabi is Waheguru - The verses are written by Muslims Saints. SO why would thet not use the term Allah?

so let me get this right!
you guys believe that the verses of guru granth sahib were written by muslim saints???

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by S1aveofA11ah

I'm not sure what you mean by Allah belongs to EVERYBODY. I think you may be using the word 'belongs' in a confusing fashion. Allah is not OWNED by anybody. If you mean (which is what I think you do) he is the God of everybody i.e. the sole creator of all mankind and that no human has an exclusive right over Allah then I understand your point. Sorry, its proberly just the wording.

The Jews, Chrisitans and the Hindus all actually believe in the EXISTENCE of the one, exact and same God i.e. Allah - the one true God who has no partners, rivals etc.

However, Islamically this belief in his existence ALONE does not make one a Muslim as one must believe that He (Allah) is the ONLY one to be worshipped and the crux of that is to worship Allah AS HE PRESCRIBED. After all we humans who are prone to errors could not devise error-free ways to worship God properly. Worship would become nonsensical over time.

So the worship God has prescribed for mankind MUST be adhered to strictly and hence the fundamental belief in the Qur'an, The Last Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) etc. Without these beliefs and followings one is not a Muslim.

Yes, my wording wasn't the best selected. Just had to answer as many post ASAP or I would have hyperventilated (sp)

Sikhs are not Muslims, we have never claimed to be (it's muslims who say we are etc) Hindus say we are hindus (again were are not)

What the purpose of Sikhi was, that as it's the last relgion to have been introduced to the world. The Gurus were ordered by Allah to reveal the name of God once more. As those that have come previously, have either distorted the message or have swayed off the path. Allah is one, and we do not follow Mohammed but he is respcted just like all the other Prophets of ohter faiths.

The Shri Guru Granth Sahib is the divin word for us which has been written by the Sikh Prophets and no other. (Unlike the Bible Quran Vedas etc) This to us seals that message. God sends down the Prophets and then ASKS them to write the message THEMSELVES. Left to any tom dick or harry, well it's prone to distortion you'll find!

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Eeman

so let me get this right!
you guys believe that the verses of guru granth sahib were written by muslim saints???

We don't just believe we KNOW!

Shri Sian Shekih Farid Ji & more- Google it, you'll learn something!

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

Ram is not the one who was betrothed to Sita. Ram, in hinduism is the name for God. Hindusim has faltered into idloatry, we do not associate God with idols.

Eeman · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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The Jews, Chrisitans and the Hindus all actually believe in the EXISTENCE of the one, exact and same God i.e. Allah - the one true God who has no partners, rivals etc.

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salam alaikum brother, i dont agree with you there, chirstians do not believe in the one true God, they believe in jesus, holy spirit and god, they believe in the trinity, and hindus they have a whole family of gods, man made idols that they praise glorify invoke and worship.

Eeman · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

Ram is not the one who was betrothed to Sita. Ram, in hinduism is the name for God. Hindusim has faltered into idloatry, we do not associate God with idols.

i thought in hindu bagwan is the name for god.

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Eeman

dear brother, i suggest you READ the whole thread i was not the one saying guru nanak was muslim as far as im concerned guru nanak was sikh hence why he brought about sikhism, common logic i must say.

i'm sorry as regards ram i do not agree with you there you cannot associate the Almighty Lord who is unseen to a man made idol named ram, khuda is the persian word for God is urdu the same. you do not get english christians refering to jesus as khuda. i dont even know what sevakgosian means so im not gonna refer to that i tried googling it but nothing came up.
yet again Allah means God in arabic so makes sense for arabic speakers to refer to their God be it muslims or christian arabs.

we believe God is one, christians dont, hindus dont you might, but for someone to have such believes and call upon God by saying hai ram errr doesnt that contradict their whole believe?

Gusain is the name for God of the Kateb (Semitic Books)

The rest wasn't directed at you. I mean in general Muslims say this on other sites. On this site too, but that was addressed. Seems like I'm going around in circles. all this has been said back in 2006 search for Sikhism thread.

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Eeman

i thought in hindu bagwan is the name for god.

Brahma, Visnu, Ram, Prabu, see, so many names.

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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The Jews, Chrisitans and the Hindus all actually believe in the EXISTENCE of the one, exact and same God i.e. Allah - the one true God who has no partners, rivals etc.

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salam alaikum brother, i dont agree with you there, chirstians do not believe in the one true God, they believe in jesus, holy spirit and god, they believe in the trinity, and hindus they have a whole family of gods, man made idols that they praise glorify invoke and worship.

That's the uneducated ones. Real Hindus do now idol worship, they don't have 'Gods' with six arms and 5 heads etc. This is like the Greek Mythical gods. Zeus Thor etc. Just made for entertainment. Which is wrong.

Eeman · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

We don't just believe we KNOW!

Shri Sian Shekih Farid Ji & more- Google it, you'll learn something!

lol dear brother im sorry if i wanna even debate on that.

so the muslim saints wrote the verses in the guru granth sahib.
now if these saints are muslim i.e believers of islam....
then they must have been followers of the Qur'an to be muslim right and practicing muslims...

now why on earth would they write lies about their own God that they believe and their own religion to create another religion or create a holy book for people to deviate from the true path of Allah to another path...

and you said muslim saints... it takes a long time and a lot of dedication and striving hard for the sake of Allah swt to become a saint, and then why wold they do such a thing commit such a major sin to earn the WRATH of Allah swt and spend eternity in Hellfire?

that just doesnt make sense to me from a muslim perspective and on top a muslim saint!

Eeman · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

Brahma, Visnu, Ram, Prabu, see, so many names.

But these are names given to statues to diffrentiate them.

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Eeman

lol dear brother im sorry if i wanna even debate on that.

so the muslim saints wrote the verses in the guru granth sahib.
now if these saints are muslim i.e believers of islam....
then they must have been followers of the Qur'an to be muslim right and practicing muslims...

now why on earth would they write lies about their own God that they believe and their own religion to create another religion or create a holy book for people to deviate from the true path of Allah to another path...

and you said muslim saints... it takes a long time and a lot of dedication and striving hard for the sake of Allah swt to become a saint, and then why wold they do such a thing commit such a major sin to earn the WRATH of Allah swt and spend eternity in Hellfire?

that just doesnt make sense to me from a muslim perspective and on top a muslim saint!

He didn't follow Islam the way you do. He was a saint because he prefomed Miracles. I'll address it a bit more later. Post questions you lot want to, and i'll answer them later on. Have to make tracks.

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Eeman

But these are names given to statues to diffrentiate them.

Yes, it's the the 99 names of Allah by muslims. these are the VERSIONS of Gods many attributes anyway i'm here to talk about Sikhism not Hinduism!

Eeman · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by S1aveofA11ah

The Jews, Chrisitans and the Hindus all actually believe in the EXISTENCE of the one, exact and same God i.e. Allah - the one true God who has no partners, rivals etc.

That's the uneducated ones. Real Hindus do now idol worship, they don't have 'Gods' with six arms and 5 heads etc. This is like the Greek Mythical gods. Zeus Thor etc. Just made for entertainment. Which is wrong.

i dont quite understand you there... you say thats the uneducated ones and go to say that real hindus now do idol worship and they dont have gods with six arms and 5 heads.

where is the holy place for hindus to go to? the mandir their temple, whats in these mandirs that they pray to statues who do they invoke? the man made statues, some have six arms and some are blue but in human form, some are elephants and some are cows. so ummm that is idol worshipping and not believing in the One unseen God.

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AvarAllahNoor Status: Offline Posts: 3,223 Reputation: 5346 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: May 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Sikh	Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... - 07-04-2008 Ram is not the one who was betrothed to Sita. Ram, in hinduism is the name for God. Hindusim has faltered into idloatry, we do not associate God with idols. __________________ Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah. Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji! Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa. In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God. Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji!

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Eeman LI Oldtimer Status: Offline Posts: 618 Reputation: 2281 Rep Power: 4 Join Date: Jun 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... - 07-04-2008 [quote=S1aveofA11ah;969568] The Jews, Chrisitans and the Hindus all actually believe in the EXISTENCE of the one, exact and same God i.e. Allah - the one true God who has no partners, rivals etc. [quote] salam alaikum brother, i dont agree with you there, chirstians do not believe in the one true God, they believe in jesus, holy spirit and god, they believe in the trinity, and hindus they have a whole family of gods, man made idols that they praise glorify invoke and worship.

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