Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... - Page 4

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Eeman

ok so would be kind enough to address my other question about why would a muslim holysaint who is in contact with Allah do such a thing?

What did he do, other than talk of Allah as he was told to by his creater?

Eeman · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Eeman

lol dear brother im sorry if i wanna even debate on that.

so the muslim saints wrote the verses in the guru granth sahib.
now if these saints are muslim i.e believers of islam....
then they must have been followers of the Qur'an to be muslim right and practicing muslims...

now why on earth would they write lies about their own God that they believe and their own religion to create another religion or create a holy book for people to deviate from the true path of Allah to another path...

and you said muslim saints... it takes a long time and a lot of dedication and striving hard for the sake of Allah swt to become a saint, and then why wold they do such a thing commit such a major sin to earn the WRATH of Allah swt and spend eternity in Hellfire?

that just doesnt make sense to me from a muslim perspective and on top a muslim saint!

this was the question

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

2. Page64 Line 9 Raag Sriraag: Guru Nanak Dev

ਅਲਾਹੁ ਅਲਖੁ ਅਗੰਮੁ ਕਾਦਰੁ ਕਰਣਹਾਰੁ ਕਰੀਮੁ ॥
Alaahu alakh aganm kaadhar karanehaar kareem ||

He is Allah, the Unknowable, the Inaccessible, All-powerful and Merciful Creator.

**'Abd-al Latif** · 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

That's what the Quran states, means diddly squat to Sikhs who have the actual authentic word of the Merciful Allah via the Ten Sikh Gurus. Which has not been altered like that of the Bible, Vedas, Geeta, Quran or Torah.

Look into history and you will see that many of the desert arabs couldn't read nor write nor was Prophethood something that was known to them except for Prophet Abraham which was like 2000 years before the advent of Prophet Muhammad. Even if you claim that someone wrote it (the Qur'an) then that means it was due to a desire for some wordly gain. Muhammad was offered the riches of Arabia, the most beautiful woman as his wives and the leadership of the nobelest tribe of arabia and that was the tribe of Quraish if he gives up his religion. Yet Muhammad rejected it because he (saaws) is the Messenger of Allah and his mission was to call people towards Islam and Allah! If Muhammad asked someone to 'author' a book then it would have been to gain something this world, why then would he refuse everything this world has to offer i.e. money, woman and fame?!

Where has the Qur'an been altered?

1 single proof that I can bring you that the Qur'an has not been altered is if you were to bring (out of random choice) 3 people from different parts of the world and they have never seen or met each other, they will recite to you the same qur'an that will be recited by every single member of this forum. 1.6 billion muslims and there many out of them who have memorized the book of Allah word from word, letter from letter and recited it at least 17 times every day.

If one person was to make a mistake in his recitation (i.e. he said something which isn't in the Qur'an) then another muslim would correct him and show him where he went wrong. This is the same Qur'an revealed 1400 years ago and historians are proof of this fact and not a single dot has been moved out of it's place.

How then can you claim the Qur'an to be distorted?!

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Eeman

this was the question

Shri Sheikh Farid Ji came before Dhan Shri Guru Nanak Mahraaj Ji. Guru Ji added his vereses into the SGGS as it was the message of the Lord.

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

Please see Sikhism threads by using the search faciilty, and READ IT i won't repeat myself over things I have discussed before as have other Sikhs on here.

Eeman · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

Shri Sheikh Farid Ji came before Dhan Shri Guru Nanak Mahraaj Ji. Guru Ji added his vereses into the SGGS as it was the message of the Lord.

okaaaaaaaaaaaay brother i never asked which ji came to which ji... that never answred my question.

**'Abd-al Latif** · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

Please see Sikhism threads by using the search faciilty, and READ IT i won't repeat myself over things I have discussed before as have other Sikhs on here.

I'm not asking for what sikhism says i'm asking you.

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Eeman

okaaaaaaaaaaaay brother i never asked which ji came to which ji... that never answred my question.

You need to re-read it then, it's self explantory!

AvarAllahNoor · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif

I'm not asking for what sikhism says i'm asking you.

What Sikhism says, I say.

**'Abd-al Latif** · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

What Sikhism says, I say.

And that is...?

**Muhammad** · **Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... -** 07-04-2008

and Greetings,

The General section is not for comparative religion topics. Please discuss these in the appropriate section of the forum. Furthermore, this discussion is rapidly degrading into an argument and it is quite clear that this style of dialogue will not bear any fruit.

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AvarAllahNoor Status: Offline Posts: 3,275 Reputation: 5684 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: May 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Sikh	Re: Sikhs want to use "Allah" too... - 07-04-2008 2. Page64 Line 9 Raag Sriraag: Guru Nanak Dev ਅਲਾਹੁ ਅਲਖੁ ਅਗੰਮੁ ਕਾਦਰੁ ਕਰਣਹਾਰੁ ਕਰੀਮੁ ॥ Alaahu alakh aganm kaadhar karanehaar kareem \|\| He is Allah, the Unknowable, the Inaccessible, All-powerful and Merciful Creator. __________________ Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah. Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji! Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa. In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God. Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji!

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