so ok got you.
basically he wasnt a muslim saint then and many people perform miracles and from islamic perspective these people are able to perform miracles cos they are in contact with the jinns.

the 99 names of Allah is His attributes, through His 99 names that He has revealed to us He is telling us what the attributes of this ONE God that mankind should believe in are!
Rahman = gracious
raheem= merciful
wadud= loving
mani= preventer
awal=first
akhir= last etc

its not like we have 99 gods and you praise and worship each god for the specific reason e.g. when we commit a sin we dont go to raheem and invoke raheem to have mercy on us.

and what is the meaning of ram? or prabu or vishnu are these attributes of a One God or merely names?

[quote=Eeman;969574][quote=S1aveofA11ah;969568]

The Jews, Chrisitans and the Hindus all actually believe in the EXISTENCE of the one, exact and same God i.e. Allah - the one true God who has no partners, rivals etc.


I think you are mistaken. Not all Christians believe that Jesus is God or the Son of God - I think the Mormon sect if I'm not wrong.

Also, I was watching a lecture by Dr. Zakir Naik who is, in my opinion, probably the best multi-lingual comparitive religion speaker alive today. I've even seen him quote a Jewish book in Hebrew to site proof from memory!!. Anyway, back to the point - he was explaining that the Hindus do believe in the One True God or Creator as its in some of their holy scriptures. However, they also believe in other Gods which are intermediaries to Allah.

[quote=S1aveofA11ah;969624][quote=Eeman;969574]so all in all it your statement goes to answer your own question brother, they believe in one God but also believe in other gods which are intermediaries,
all in all the whole concept is flawed and a big form of shirk...
how can you believe that there is One God and then believe in other gods with godly qualities and use these gods to intervene for you.

on that basis in my life from my own learning i have had and still do have many hindu friends who i love and cherish, and these are people with these beliefs... yes they believe in God so as their belief goes but then this god, but then they go contradicting their own belief of that one god by believing in other gods... wooooooooooooosh! (way over my head) dunno how that works.

as in i'd understand when some muslims, and there are muslims out there who commit shirk by going to saints and invoking the saints thinking that they are using them as someone to intervene and put in a good word for them due to their piety to Allah swt and these people believe that by doing so Allah swt on the behalf of that saint will answer their prayers.
but these muslims dont go as far as describing that saint as a god or with godly features or abilities but hindus do with ram, prabu, vishnu , ganesh, shiva, kali mata etc.

[quote=Eeman;969649][quote=S1aveofA11ah;969624]I see your point in the first paragraph that the concept is flawed in that it looks to be a contradiction. However, I have heard so many times - especially in 'misconceptions about Islam' topics - that the Jews and Christians believe in the same God. Maybe I've missed something?.

[quote=S1aveofA11ah;969652][quote=Eeman;969649]Sorry brother i did not quite got what you meant there, as in jews and christians believe in the same God that we muslims believe in?

obviously the first scripture that was revealed was the torah which were to the jews, until they fabricated and added on and emmitted what suited them, the the injeel to the people that we now know as christians and yet the same thing happened there so the final book that was revealed was the Qu'ran and here we are Alhumdullilah! muslims.

so i would say that jews and christians believe in the same God but just believing in God is that enough? not implementing His laws and orders in life and striving for His sake, being righteous and totally dependent on Him, believing in Him as the One and only God, his books, messengers (all of them of course), angels, al qadar, paradise and hell.

and living life how it is meant to be lived by believing muslims, to serve Him and only Him.

so they may say that yes it is the same God but then again it makes you think, if it is the same God that everyone claims they believe and worship why you denying this God's true message and commands????
you say you believe in the God that we believe but you simply have a different message and follow different ways of life....

are these people then not what Allah swt refers to as the losers in His holy Qur'an

and if jews and christians were really and truely believers and believed God to be who believing muslims believe then why would Allah swt condemn them so much in the Qur'an.

cos they broke their covenant with Allah swt and transgressed, did their own souls wrong and therefore there is only one destination for these people jahanum...

It makes one think why would God condemn them in His true message by them believing in Him???

Dear jewish brothers and sisters please do not take what i have written into any form of offence i am cleary stating what our religion indicates.

everyone has their own beliefs and i love people from all works of life.
as long as the person has a good heart and is a good person to me it does not make any difference if your a hindu, jew or a christain agnostic or athiest.

plus in islam we are not taught or encouraged to treat people differently cos of their race gender background or religion, we get accounted for everthing, be it doing a fellow muslim wrong or a kafir.

so my apologisies i fi have said anything on this post that might have struck a wrong chord.

ma salama.

The only way to know Allah is see what He has said about himself. In the Qur'an Allah talks about Himself in His Own words by saying who He is, what His decreed religion is and who are the believers who believe in Him and His Oneness, while all other religions which claim to believe in Him and worship Him in pure form etc are rejected because these are not approved by Allah. Christianity and Jewdaism are different because at one time the chosen religion was Jewdaism but soon afterwords christianity came, confirmed what came before it and preceded it. Now Islam has come and it confirms what has come before it in the Torah and Gospel and Islam has preceded these two because it has come in it's complete form along side the greatest of creation and that is Muhammad (saaws). So you cannot 'own' Allah or talk about Him in any way that you want because you can only say about Him what He has said about Himself.

The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.
[Surah Al 'Imran 3:19]

What 'version'?

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If this Qur'an is created by a man then accept this challenge, as Allah challenges you and all of mankind, to produce something better then it if you are true in your claim!

View my post again I made an edit.

But let me just comment on something, Allah described Himself in the Qur'an. And this description is as follows.

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light: Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things.
[Surah Al Noor (The Light) 24:35]

Look into history and you will see that many of the desert arabs couldn't read nor write nor was Prophethood something that was known to them except for Prophet Abraham which was like 2000 years before the advent of Prophet Muhammad. Even if you claim that someone wrote it (the Qur'an) then that means it was due to a desire for some wordly gain. Muhammad was offered the riches of Arabia, the most beautiful woman as his wives and the leader of the nobelest tribe and that was the tribe of Quraish if he gives up his religion. Yet Muhammad rejected it because he (saaws) is the Messenger of Allah and his mission was to call people towards Islam and Allah! If Muhammad asked someone to 'author' a book then it would have been to gain something this world, why then would he refuse everything this world has to offer i.e. money, woman and fame?!

And as for the rest of the quotes you pasted, here is what Allah Himself has said about the like:

“And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: ‘This is from Allah,’ but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it.” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:78].

No, he was in contact with Allah, no idea what the Islamic view is, neither is it of any concern to us.