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Default Re: I've returned to Christ - 07-20-2008

Atleast the brother is in the process of seeking knowledge otherwise he wouldn't have joined the forum,

just keep reading around, you might have had that moment of truth when you decided to turn to islam but its not meant to be temporary, read thoroughly and discover the logic behind our beliefs and why they contradict some christian beliefs, don't fall for anything you might have heard, make sure everything makes sense to you before you take any action

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I was sincere about Islam but deep down i still knew that Christianity is the truth. Verses such as the one that mentions the Holy Spirit, and Christians being people of the book only encouraged these deep down thoughts and feelings.

I would gladly go to Mecca and Preach the Gospel but it would be insensitive of me.
The holy spirit is gabrial (in arabic - Jibreel). The christians are the people of the book because it (gosipel) was revealed by Allah to Jesus but it was distorted by men through the passage of time. But there is still some essence of what Allah had originally revealed.

Now obviously you can't abide by a religion that has been distorted by man, so Allah sent His final Prophet to confirm what came before it (i.e. in the Torah and Gosipel) in the Qur'an and completed His favor upon mankind. Muhammad (saw) was sent to the whole world whereas Jesus and all other Prophets and Messengers were sent to a particular people.

To prove that there is still some truth in the bible can be proven by the words of Jesus, the Prophet of Allah, himself.

In the Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

And in Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

This is what is said in your books and the 'Comforter' is Muhammad, hence why Allah says in the Qur'an about the Prophet who is mentioned in the scriptures of the Jews and Christians.

Allah says in the Qur'an:

"Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."

[Surah Al Araf (The Heights) 7:157]

This is clearly talking about Prophet Muhammad, and the message that Islam convays is the same message that was convayed by Jesus, Moses and all other Prophets and Messengers.
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Just because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, doesn't make it the truth. Famine spreading throughout Africa doesn't nourish their hungry.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - John 3:16

"I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the father but by me". - John 4:16

Jesus himself said he is the way, the truth and the life.

The old testament speaks of someone who is coming. These prophets came from the God of Abraham who you also believe in so why do you refuse this belief.

My "Confusion" of christianity was not confusion but refusal to listen, i read the bible but i didn't not pay attention.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WQord was God. He was with God in the beginning". - John 1:1-2.

Jesus is God.

"You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; his kingdom will never end. How will this be, Mary asked the angel, since i am a virgin? The angel answered, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God." - Luke 1:31-35

Jesus is the Son of Man and the Son of God.

Also the fact that you have all turned sour towards me to me says that you have closed your minds and your hearts to any belief other than your own.
   
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Hello brother jmb272, Do not worry no one has turned sour agianst u, well defo not me

Its ur decision, and I really do wish u the best of luck and I hope u find the truth u are seeking.

As mentioned before, do stay around by all means. We love to have member in this forum no matter what they are! Blue, black, yellow, white, red, japanese, muslim, christian

Take care
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Hello brother jmb272, Do not worry no one has turned sour agianst u, well defo not me

Its ur decision, and I really do wish u the best of luck and I hope u find the truth u are seeking.

As mentioned before, do stay around by all means. We love to have member in this forum no matter what they are! Blue, black, yellow, white, red, japanese, muslim, christian

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Thanks ra0nar. That means alot.
   
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After only 4 days of becoming muslim and then having a "break" so to speak i've returned to my belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the trinity, i would like to remain on this forum though to discuss christianity with muslims that have questions about it.
In 4 days you rejected christianity, accepted islam, rejected Islam, had a break andddddddd accepted christianity? hmmmm
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Yeah Satan lied to me.. tricked me into believing one of the fastest growing lies in the world today. Thank God and Praise Jesus i've found my way back to the truth.
   
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The holy spirit is gabrial (in arabic - Jibreel). The christians are the people of the book because it (gosipel) was revealed by Allah to Jesus but it was distorted by men through the passage of time. But there is still some essence of what Allah had originally revealed.

Now obviously you can't abide by a religion that has been distorted by man, so Allah sent His final Prophet to confirm what came before it (i.e. in the Torah and Gosipel) in the Qur'an and completed His favor upon mankind. Muhammad (saw) was sent to the whole world whereas Jesus and all other Prophets and Messengers were sent to a particular people.

To prove that there is still some truth in the bible can be proven by the words of Jesus, the Prophet of Allah, himself.

In the Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

And in Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

This is what is said in your books and the 'Comforter' is Muhammad, hence why Allah says in the Qur'an about the Prophet who is mentioned in the scriptures of the Jews and Christians.

Allah says in the Qur'an:

"Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."

[Surah Al Araf (The Heights) 7:157]

This is clearly talking about Prophet Muhammad, and the message that Islam convays is the same message that was convayed by Jesus, Moses and all other Prophets and Messengers.
*Still waiting to hear something*
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Well what can i say. I believe that the Qur'an is a lie, and that you've all been deceived. I believe the Bible from Genesis to Revelations to be the inspired word of God.

The holy spirit is the third part of the trinity, the comforter and counsellor who is with me and every other Christian on earth.

I will pray for you all.
   
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"O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allaah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allaah and His Word, (‘Be’ — and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him; so believe in Allaah and His Messengers. Say not: ‘Three (trinity)!’ Cease! (it is) better for you"

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Well what can i say. I believe that the Qur'an is a lie, and that you've all been deceived. I believe the Bible from Genesis to Revelations to be the inspired word of God.

The holy spirit is the third part of the trinity, the comforter and counsellor who is with me and every other Christian on earth.

I will pray for you all.
You are entitled to your believes! You can also pray to whomever you wish. However be a bit more carefull with the way you say things. Saying the quran is a lie, and we all have been deceived is an offensive way of putting things.

If you want a debate about the quran or islam open a new thread and share ur views, and plenty of people here are ready to debate alhamdulilah.
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I also returned to Isa(as).

When I accepted Islam 3 years ago, it was then that I had finally accepted the message Isa(as)was given to teach us. Through Islam I returned to what Isa(as) was teaching.

In Islam I never stopped loving Isa(as) I love him even more, but for what he truly is and not for what I was taught he was.
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Well what can i say. I believe that the Qur'an is a lie, and that you've all been deceived. I believe the Bible from Genesis to Revelations to be the inspired word of God.

The holy spirit is the third part of the trinity, the comforter and counsellor who is with me and every other Christian on earth.

I will pray for you all.
So just out of curiosity.... what was it that made you accept islam?
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I dont know, i guess i was just looking for something different.

I think its best for both your community and myself if i left this forum seeing as im going to be treated as something foul if i stay.

I'm sorry for calling your holy book a lie but i believe it to be false.

I'll pray that the Lord delivers you to the truth some day.

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