a question about the width of Jannah

Mahir · **a question about the width of Jannah -** 08-31-2008

Basicly, i wonder about this vers

[057:021] Race one with another in hastening towards Forgiveness from your Lord (Allah), and towards Paradise, the width whereof is as the width of heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in Allah and His Messengers. That is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He pleases. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty.

How wide is Jannah, is it as wide as the earth and the layers of the ozone

Or as the universe and earth, but the universe is much bigger then the earth

Or have i misstaken my self, is it talking about Jannahs shape being as the shape of the universe and earth?

Or is it from earth to the 7th universe?

Jazakum Allah khair

Mahir · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 08-31-2008

Can anybody reply ?

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This is my understanding of this hadith;

Quote:

"Rise to enter Paradise whose width is equal to the Heavens and the Earth." [Muslim]

The Heavens = there are 7 heavens in total - our universe is in the lowest heaven [i think]

+

the width of the earth.

Allaahu Aalim.

But bro if you think about it, so much of Allaah's creation, since the beginning of time, since Adam Alayhis Salaam was created, they are going to be in Jannah InshaaAllaah. SubhaanAllaah our mind cannot imagine or comprehend the size of Jannah, so I think Allaah subhaan wa taa'la has said 'the width of the heavens and the earth' coz we know how big the earth and heavens are, etc.

Read more description about Jannah here InshaaAllaah.

Quote:

8 Gates: "Paradise has eight gates, and one of them is called Ar-Raiyan through which none will enter but those who observe fasting." [Bukhari] "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, the distance between every two gate-posts of Paradise is like the distance between Mecca and Busra (in Sham)." [Bukhari].

“The person that contributes a set of clothing in the path of Allah, will be called forth by the doors of Jannah "O servant of Allah! come hither! Those who engaged in salat (abundantly) will be beckoned by the "Door of Salat"; “Those regular in jihad will be beckoned by the "Door of Jihad" Those generous in charity will be beckoned by the "Door of Charity". Abu Bakr (ra) thereupon asked if there would be any person whom all the doors of Jannah will beckon? He replied that he hoped Abu Bakr (ra) would be amongst such persons (whom all the doors of Jannah would beckon.) [Bukhari]

1 Bab al-Iman; 2 Bab al-Jihad; 3 Bad al-Kadhemean al Gaidh; 4 Bab ar-Raiyan; 5 Bab ar-Radiyeen; 6 Bab as-Sadaqah 7 Bab at-Taubah; and 8 Bab as-Salat.

100 Levels: There are 100 levels (storeys) in Jannah that Allah has created for those who strive in His path and the distance between each of these is similar to that between the earth and the sky; (therefore). Whenever you ask Jannah of Allah, ask for Jannatul- Firdaus because it is the highest and focal point of Jannah. Upon it is the Arsh of Allah and in it is the source of the rivers of Jannah. [Bukhari]

"The people of Paradise will look at the dwellers of the lofty mansions (i.e. a superior place in Paradise) in the same way as one looks at a brilliant star far away in the East or in the West on the horizon; all that is because of their superiority over one another (in rewards)." On that the people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Are these lofty mansions for the prophets which nobody else can reach? The Prophet replied," No! "By Allah in whose Hands my life is, these are for the men who believed in Allah and also believed in the Apostles." [Bukhari] "Rise to enter Paradise whose width is equal to the Heavens and the Earth." [Muslim]

Tents, Thrones, Gardens, Utensils, Rivers and Trees: "In Paradise there is a tent made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them. And there are two gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of silver; and two other gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of so-and-so (i.e. gold) and nothing will prevent the people staying in the Garden of Eden from seeing their Lord except the curtain of Majesty over His Face." [Bukhari]

Sayhan, Jayhan, Euphrates and Nile are all among the rivers of Paradise. [Muslim] "In Paradise there is a tree which is so big that a rider can travel in its shade for one hundred years without passing it; and if you wish, you can recite [Bukhari]

I might be totally wrong in my explanation, so better to ask a scholar inshaAllaah

Ramadan Mubarak.

------ · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 08-31-2008

This hadith might give you some idea of the width of Jannah inshaAllaah

Quote:

Abu Bakr b. Abdullah b. Qais reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said that:

"In Paradise there would be for a believer a tent of a single hollowed pearl the width of which would be sixty miles. It would be meant for a believer and the believers would go around it and none would be able to see the others."

[Sahih Muslim, Book 040, Number 6804]

And that's just one tent for one person.

SubhaanAllaah. Takbeer!!

Mahir · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 08-31-2008

Yes i know how big Jannah is sister, Jazakum Allah khair but i wonder what the vers is saying, 7 universes + earth?

There is a hadith by Ibn Abbas saying that it means 7 heavens + 7 earths... and we dont know the width of the other earths... they could be as our whole universe.. so that would make Jannah a biiiiiiiiiiggggg place!

And i think it means if all those things (Heavens and earths) and put in a row, then thats the width? Allahu Alam,

But i would like to hear other opinions as well so if anyone knows the answer pls help!

------ · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 08-31-2008

I think it is better for us if we aim to get to Jannah first, and focus on changing ourselves, rather than asking questions which we will not derive any benefit from. InshaaAllaah.

islamirama · 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mahir

Basicly, i wonder about this vers

[057:021] Race one with another in hastening towards Forgiveness from your Lord (Allah), and towards Paradise, the width whereof is as the width of heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in Allah and His Messengers. That is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He pleases. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty.

How wide is Jannah, is it as wide as the earth and the layers of the ozone

Or as the universe and earth, but the universe is much bigger then the earth

Or have i mistaken my self, is it talking about Jannahs shape being as the shape of the universe and earth?

Or is it from earth to the 7th universe?

Jazakum Allah khair

In another translate it doesn't say width but breadth, meaning size.

To give you an idea of the magnitude of the jannah. Consider these facts from hadith.

The distance from earth to the first heaven (lowest heaven) is 500yrs.

how big is the sahara desert? look...

How many countries does that cover? now imagine how tiny ring is in that big desert....

Now try to imagine this....

First heaven compared in size to 2nd heaven is like a ring in a desert. See how big 2nd heaven is compared to the first?

the 2nd heaven is a ring in a desert compared to the 3rd heaven. So that's twice the size then of first heaven?

the 3rd heaven is a ring in a desert compared to the 4th heaven.

the 4th heaven is a ring in a desert compared to the 5th heaven.

the 5th heaven is a ring in a desert compared to the 5th heaven.

the 6th heaven is a ring in a desert compared to the 7th heaven.

comprehend the size of each heaven compared to the last?

the 7th heaven is a ring in a desert compared to the Arsh of Allah.

Mahir · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 09-02-2008

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Originally Posted by islamirama

In another translate it doesn't say width but breadth, meaning size.

To give you an idea of the magnitude of the jannah. Consider these facts from hadith.

The distance from earth to the first heaven (lowest heaven) is 500yrs.

how big is the sahara desert? look...

How many countries does that cover? now imagine how tiny one grain of sand is in that big desert....

Now try to imagine this....

First heaven compared in size to 2nd heaven is like a sand grain in a desert. See how big 2nd heaven is compared to the first?

the 2nd heaven is a sand grain in a desert compared to the 3rd heaven. So that's twice the size then of first heaven?

the 3rd heaven is a sand grain in a desert compared to the 4th heaven.

the 4th heaven is a sand grain in a desert compared to the 5th heaven.

the 5th heaven is a sand grain in a desert compared to the 5th heaven.

the 6th heaven is a sand grain in a desert compared to the 7th heaven.

comprehend the size of each heaven compared to the last?

the 7th heaven is a sand grain in a desert compared to the Arsh of Allah.

Yes i know brother.. but does it mean FROM earth to the 7 heavens.. or does it mean, as the earth and the heavens.. because earth is little, thats why i asked

------ · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 09-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Mahir

Yes i know brother.. but does it mean FROM earth to the 7 heavens.. or does it mean, as the earth and the heavens.. because earth is little, thats why i asked

What bro islamirama told you, is as much as Allaah and His Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam have told us, and given us knowledge of.

What does it matter if its the size of the earth or the size of the heavens or whatever?! SubhaanAllaah, the Sahabah (May Allaah be pleased with them all) never used to ask unnecessary questions, because they knew the knowledge would not benefit them in the Aakhirah!

Let us aim to get to Jannah, that should be enough. SubaanAllaah.

Mahir · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 09-02-2008

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Originally Posted by barney

The universe is continually expanding at millions of miles a second, so you would have to count the width on the day of judgement.
It's currently 879847933940000000000 kilometers. Adding the width of the earth would currently make Jannah 8798479339400000012600 KM

I think this was the best answer, but one thing, the universe we know of, is the first universe.. so we would have to count the other 6 universes too, and the other 6 earth (An God knows how big they are) but this knowledge is only with God. Thank you for the answer!

Peace

Mahir · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 09-02-2008

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Originally Posted by - Serene -

What bro islamirama told you, is as much as Allaah and His Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam have told us, and given us knowledge of.

What does it matter if its the size of the earth or the size of the heavens or whatever?! SubhaanAllaah, the Sahabah (May Allaah be pleased with them all) never used to ask unnecessary questions, because they knew the knowledge would not benefit them in the Aakhirah!

Let us aim to get to Jannah, that should be enough. SubaanAllaah.

Sister.. i know it will not benefit me, but i wanted a clarification why Allah said the earth and the heavens because the earth is so little next to the heavens.. anyway, the agnostic dude clarified it ! Salaaam Ramadan Mubarak

islamirama · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 09-04-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mahir

Yes i know brother.. but does it mean FROM earth to the 7 heavens.. or does it mean, as the earth and the heavens.. because earth is little, thats why i asked

I've asked a sheikh and will get back to you with the answer inshallah

Mahir · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 09-04-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by islamirama

I've asked a sheikh and will get back to you with the answer inshallah

inshallah taala

barak allahu feek

barney · 08:42 PM

Some interesting facts.
106,456,367,669 people have lived on earth according to some calculations
http://www.prb.org/Articles/2002/How...edonEarth.aspx

This equals one person per 72 trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion square Kilometeres.

I Hope the Fuel costs are low up there, because nipping next door to see my mate is going to cost a whack of cash.
Actually thats if every person who ever lived was saved.

Isnt there some sources that limit the number going to heaven to a few hundred thousand?

islamirama · **Re: a question about the width of Jannah -** 09-05-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by barney

Some interesting facts.
106,456,367,669 people have lived on earth according to some calculations
http://www.prb.org/Articles/2002/How...edonEarth.aspx

This equals one person per 72 trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion square Kilometeres.

I Hope the Fuel costs are low up there, because nipping next door to see my mate is going to cost a whack of cash.
Actually thats if every person who ever lived was saved.

Isnt there some sources that limit the number going to heaven to a few hundred thousand?

That sounds like a lot of people. But we have been around for millions of years. So its only natural that we would have so many people. But despite such big numbers, that is still minute and nothing compared to the number of angels.

There is a house in the heavens like the kaba on earth. Every day 70,000 angels visit it to pray and then leave, never to come back again. This has been going on since their creation. now that means billions of years, way before creation of earth and this universe. So imagine the vast creation of the Angels. Allah says: Certainly the creation of the heavens and earth is greater than the creation of men; but most men know it not. [40.57]

There is a source that limits people going to heaven, in Christianity it is. JW believe only 50,000 will go to heaven, and rest of Christianity have their own numbers. In Islam, there is no limit on numbers. Allah has promised paradise to those who uphold Monotheism and obey the commands of Allah. All the previous prophets were Muslims (submitting to Allah) and all their followers were Muslims. Anyone who stays away from polytheism, does good and stays away from evil has opportunity to enter paradise.

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Mahir Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 62 Reputation: 191 Rep Power: 3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	a question about the width of Jannah - 08-31-2008 Basicly, i wonder about this vers [057:021] Race one with another in hastening towards Forgiveness from your Lord (Allah), and towards Paradise, the width whereof is as the width of heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in Allah and His Messengers. That is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He pleases. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty. How wide is Jannah, is it as wide as the earth and the layers of the ozone Or as the universe and earth, but the universe is much bigger then the earth Or have i misstaken my self, is it talking about Jannahs shape being as the shape of the universe and earth? Or is it from earth to the 7th universe? Jazakum Allah khair

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Mahir Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 62 Reputation: 191 Rep Power: 3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: a question about the width of Jannah - 08-31-2008 Yes i know how big Jannah is sister, Jazakum Allah khair but i wonder what the vers is saying, 7 universes + earth? There is a hadith by Ibn Abbas saying that it means 7 heavens + 7 earths... and we dont know the width of the other earths... they could be as our whole universe.. so that would make Jannah a biiiiiiiiiiggggg place! And i think it means if all those things (Heavens and earths) and put in a row, then thats the width? Allahu Alam, But i would like to hear other opinions as well so if anyone knows the answer pls help!

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------ Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 1 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Way of Life: Undisclosed	Re: a question about the width of Jannah - 08-31-2008 I think it is better for us if we aim to get to Jannah first, and focus on changing ourselves, rather than asking questions which we will not derive any benefit from. InshaaAllaah.

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barney Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 2,477 Reputation: 8201 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic	Re: a question about the width of Jannah - 09-04-2008 Some interesting facts. 106,456,367,669 people have lived on earth according to some calculations http://www.prb.org/Articles/2002/How...edonEarth.aspx This equals one person per 72 trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion square Kilometeres. I Hope the Fuel costs are low up there, because nipping next door to see my mate is going to cost a whack of cash. Actually thats if every person who ever lived was saved. Isnt there some sources that limit the number going to heaven to a few hundred thousand? Last edited by barney; 09-04-2008 at 08:42 PM..