Firstly, I understand this may be a bit of a debatable topic. I would like to firstly ask what is jalali wird? Also, from what I have heard Ayat-e-Karima is extremely powerful and constant recitation should be done under certain conditions. Is this correct? I have also heard it's quite hot whereas something like Durood Shareef is quite cold.

I understand I have been quite vague but any help with what Ayat-e-Karima truly is and maybe any hadith references would be grateful.

i had wrote a long reply but to make it simple and short akhi ask for proof this is a bidah in islam the best of guidance is the guidance of the prophet hence if the prophet didnt do it we dont do it correct?

What is Ayat-e-karima?

I thought I knew the basics of Islam, and then something like this pops up.

and what is Durood shareef?

Asalamalikum...
actually its related to something we called as "tasawaf" or "tazkia"... so u r rite. ppl those had made its their routine, they say Darood is cool and zikar of ayat-e-karima is hot.
i dont see if someone act upon hadith and its badha....!!! bcz there are soo many haditth regarding dhikar. in one hadith its said that "zikar is a source for purification of heart". so if some do zikar for this, will it be bidha???
personally what i feel is, excess of zikar made u rough...as said by Imam Ghzali RA that Prophet PBUH used to talk Aysha RA so that they got frest up for ebadda. honestly it most difficult thing to dont let ur attention to deviate from ALLAH SWT..which is purpose of dhikar. so be carefull in doing excess of zikar. it can be a burdan on ur mind and make u jalali.

Originally Posted by naidamar

What is Ayat-e-karima?

I thought I knew the basics of Islam, and then something like this pops up.

and what is Durood shareef

ayat-e-karima is a ayat in Quran, sometimes its is called "said-ul-istaghfar" bcz Hazrat Younis in obdomen of fish recite this dua and Allah Swt safe him from any hazard.
Drood sharif mean what we recite in namaz in b4 salam. its dua of praise of Prophet PBUH.

Originally Posted by naidamar

What is Ayat-e-karima?

The Noble Verses. But we are in Indonesia call it "Ayat Suci".

and what is Durood shareef?

Durood is "Salawat".

Ayat-e-Karima (as called in the subcontinent), is this:

لاَّ إِلَـهَ إِلاَّ أَنتَ سُبْحَـنَكَ إِنِّى كُنتُ مِنَ الظَّـلِمِينَ

Translation: "...There is no God save Thee. Be Thou Glorified! Lo! I have been a wrong-doer." (Surah al-Anbiyaa', Surah 21, part of ayah 87).

It is the saying of Prophet Yunus alayhi assalaam when in distress in the belly of the whale, and is one of many adhkaar (remembrances, du'aas etc) recommended in the sunnah for distress:

With regard to the aayah “La ilaaha illa anta subhaanaka innee kuntu min al-zaalimeen”, the following report has been narrated concerning its virtues:

Sa’d said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘The call of Dhoo’l-Noon [Yoonus/Jonah], which he recited when he was in the belly of the fish, ‘La ilaaha illa anta subhaanaka innee kuntu min al-zaalimeen. There is no Muslim who recites this in any situation, but Allaah will respond to him.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 3427, and classed as saheeh in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3383).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Shall I not tell you of something which, if some of the misery and distress of this world befalls a man and he recites it, he will be relieved of his stress. It is the du’aa’ of Dhoo’l-Noon: ‘La ilaaha illa anta subhaanaka innee kuntu min al-zaalimeen.’” (Reported by al-Haakim; Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2605).

However, nowhere in the saheeh ahadeeth is it prescribed to read this a certain number of times or have certain wirds (read x thing y number of times daily at z time after doing abc thing, etc)

Fourthly, stating that Soorat al-Ikhlaas should be recited 500 times, and that the aayah (interpretation of the meaning) “La ilaaha illa anta subhaanaka innee kuntu min al-zaalimeen (None has the right to be worshipped except You [O Allaah]. Glorified (and Exalted) are You. Truly, I have been of the wrong-doers)” [al-Anbiyaa’ 21:87] should be recited 100 times is a practice that has no basis whatsoever in the Qur’aan or the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so it is not right to adhere to these numbers. You should act upon the sound ahaadeeth that describe the virtues of this soorah and this aayah.

Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/2241

Neither have hot or cold effects been described in the sunnah. In fact there are many things that people have heard, unfortunately, that are precisely that - hearsay, and have no basis in Qur'an or sunnah, yet people follow it. Sometimes, they are taken from unreliable books whose sources do not include authentic ahadeeth.

Stick to authentic sources. Here are some du'aas for anxiety and distress from Hisnul Muslim, a reputable book. Each du'aa in it is mentioned in one or more saheeh ahadeeth.

http://www.makedua.com/display_dua.php?sectionid=35
http://www.makedua.com/display_dua.php?sectionid=34
http://www.makedua.com/display_dua.php?sectionid=40
http://www.makedua.com/display_dua.php?sectionid=43

Hope that helped a bit.

Ah, ok. so thats what they're called in the subcontinent. we call them by different names here in Indonesia.
We also have tons of books or people here claiming that certain wirids to be read certain numbers on certain times/days will cure certain distress.
Many mix between shahih or hasan sunnah with dhoif or mawdoo sunnah.
So yes, stick to authentic sunnah is the right way.

ok. I was just watching Aalim Aur Aalam. Don't know whether anyone watches it but since urdu isn't my first language I thought there may be more information on the internet. They were discussing this and it just intrigued me.

All ayaah in Al-Qur'an-ul Kareem (The Noble Qur'an) are Ayaat-ul Kareemah (The Noble Verses).

Ayaah/Ayat is Arabic word of verse. And term 'verse' is used not only in Holly Books but also in other books such as rule books. So, Ayaat-ul Kareemah means "verses that noble" (sorry, I couldn't find the right English word for it).

Originally Posted by Insaanah

Neither have hot or cold effects been described in the sunnah. In fact there are many things that people have heard, unfortunately, that are precisely that - hearsay, and have no basis in Qur'an or sunnah, yet people follow it. Sometimes, they are taken from unreliable books whose sources do not include authentic ahadeeth.

sister, i am sorry, but if u dont mind i want to say, yes we must dislike bidha but what u siad above is like that; let suppose a person says water has effect that it removes our thrist, should we say its bidha bcz its not told in hadith that water removes thrist....???? i mention in my post above that even IMAM GHAZALI in "AAksir Hadayat" quote a hadith that excess of zikar make person rough, there fore Prophet PBUH used to say Aysha RA to talk to him so that He got gresh up for ebada. How u say its bidha to blv in these saying....??? blv i told its my personal experience that "keeping ur attention toward ALLAH SWT" for a long time is heavy on ur mind. blv u will feel much mentally tired if u do zikar with attention for long time/excess. so how say one say its bidha to blv what i have my personal experince. i think we should not hve to much strict/agreesive behaviour that we neglect our commen sense in some matter.

Originally Posted by tigerkhan

let suppose a person says water has effect that it removes our thrist, should we say its bidha bcz its not told in hadith that water removes thrist....????

This does not hold because we are talking about matters of deen.

Originally Posted by tigerkhan

i mention in my post above that even IMAM GHAZALI in "AAksir Hadayat" quote a hadith that excess of zikar make person rough, there fore Prophet PBUH used to say Aysha RA to talk to him so that He got gresh up for ebada.

In the part of my post you quoted, I mentioned hot and cold effects, in response to this:

Originally Posted by tigerkhan

they say Darood is cool and zikar of ayat-e-karima is hot.

Originally Posted by Dan-fish

I have also heard it's quite hot whereas something like Durood Shareef is quite cold.

Does this hadeeth mention those hot and cold effects?

Jazaakallah khayr.

let suppose a person says water has effect that it removes our thrist, should we say its bidha bcz its not told in hadith that water removes thrist....????

what does this have to do with deen akhi Barak Allah feek this is an act of worship and all acts of worship is not permissable unless there is proof saying otherwise using the water example has no basis here

i mention in my post above that even IMAM GHAZALI in "AAksir Hadayat" quote a hadith that excess of zikar make person rough, there fore Prophet PBUH used to say Aysha RA to talk to him so that He got gresh up for ebada. How u say its bidha to blv in these saying....???

im not sure if i understand what you are saying here akhi if what u are saying is that to much thikr is not good will i disagree for we should keep out tounges moist with thikr but as daleel tells us not make up things like saying such and such does this and that unless there is proof pls bring the hadith you are talking about so we can all learn from it but if what you are ssayin is that the prophet use to do it then pls proivde you daleel

blv i told its my personal experience that "keeping ur attention toward ALLAH SWT" for a long time is heavy on ur mind. blv u will feel much mentally tired if u do zikar with attention for long time/excess. so how say one say its bidha to blv what i have my personal experince. i think we should not hve to much strict/agreesive behaviour that we neglect our commen sense in some matter.

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akhi what is your frist language if i may ask... akhi it seems that you are contradicting youself pls explain

As I said, this may have been a debatable topic. But I have sometimes gone a bit crazy myself from excessive research and dhikr.

Asalamolikum...
i am so sorry that i cant make u understand it well bcz english in not my first language.

Originally Posted by Insaanah

This does not hold because we are talking about matters of deen.

sister we are not introducing a new thing in deen, but i mean to say, e.g as we heard that science proves that Wudu keep us fresh and save us from mental diseases (esp Masah of head and neck). no1 can deny it on the basis that its not told in hadith, but its a physical effect related to our body by doing wudu. same in the sense i am saying. in zikar one u keeps on concentrating for long time, so it has effect on ur mind.

Originally Posted by Insaanah

Does this hadeeth mention those hot and cold effects?

i mean to say since Imam Ghazali is saying this that much ebadat make person mentaly tired. no1 can say that he is taking bidha bcz its not said in hadith. rather he proves that it is bcz of this effect, Prophet PBUH used to talk Hazrat Ayasha RA to get fresh up for worship. so sister i hope u got, its just about physical effects of worship on our body and brain. so nothing a bidhat in it if ppl say this on their personal experience.
i am really sorry again if u find something difficult to understand.
JazakAllah O Khair.