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      Thank you for posting this video. The speaker spoke eloquently and within 41 minutes, destroyed the propaganda western mainstream media had presented for years about the Taliban. It even cleared some of my misconceptions too.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow View Post


      Thank you for posting this video. The speaker spoke eloquently and within 41 minutes, destroyed the propaganda western mainstream media had presented for years about the Taliban. It even cleared some of my misconceptions too.
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      How do you know what he's saying isn't propaganda?

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      Quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl View Post
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      How do you know what he's saying isn't propaganda?
      Why we always like to believe what media tells us? These poor people are making proganda whereas americans are quite true. Come on, after these many years of 9/11, things are clear and bright like sun.
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      You didn't answer the question.

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      I'm not sure why, but it seems like a lot of members here blindly support the Taliban, and take every opportunity to show how amazingly Muslim and misunderstood they are... I'm not going to take a side here since I don't know all that much about the actual Taliban, but the thing is, I'm pretty sure most people here don't have a lot of actual experience with the Taliban either, and yet we find vehement supporters everywhere... All I do know (and I've mentioned this before) is that some people from Afghanistan have some pretty horrific tales regarding the Taliban, and that should be enough to at least show some of you that perhaps we can't be so quick to completely support them...

      Again, I'm not taking a side. (I've learned that that's probably not a very smart thing to do here) I understand that whatever stories I might hear might not represent ALL of the Taliban, but I'm just kind of tired of the blind support, and the aggressive behavior directed at those who bring up points that are against the Taliban...

      [And no, I didn't watch the video... But the things I said were more general anyway, so it's okay. I'll watch it eventually.]
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      Quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl View Post
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      How do you know what he's saying isn't propaganda?
      Read history books, keep up with the news everyday, watch documentaries and listen to lectures. That is what I do. You will find that the government version of events does not make sense and there are inconsistencies. The mainstream media has not presented both
      sides of the story, especially in America.

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      I'm not sure why, but it seems like a lot of members here blindly support the Taliban,


      No, not blind support. Like I mentioned earlier, read history books, watch documentaries, keep a eye on the news and listen to lectures. This will help.

      Again, I'm not taking a side. (I've learned that that's probably not a very smart thing to do here) I understand that whatever stories I might hear might not represent ALL of the Taliban, but I'm just kind of tired of the blind support, and the aggressive behavior directed at those who bring up points that are against the Taliban...
      I have yet to see aggressive behavior directed at those who are against the Taliban on this forum.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tyrion View Post
      I'm not sure why, but it seems like a lot of members here blindly support the Taliban, and take every opportunity to show how amazingly Muslim and misunderstood they are... I'm not going to take a side here since I don't know all that much about the actual Taliban, but the thing is, I'm pretty sure most people here don't have a lot of actual experience with the Taliban either, and yet we find vehement supporters everywhere... All I do know (and I've mentioned this before) is that some people from Afghanistan have some pretty horrific tales regarding the Taliban, and that should be enough to at least show some of you that perhaps we can't be so quick to completely support them...

      Again, I'm not taking a side. (I've learned that that's probably not a very smart thing to do here) I understand that whatever stories I might hear might not represent ALL of the Taliban, but I'm just kind of tired of the blind support, and the aggressive behavior directed at those who bring up points that are against the Taliban...

      [And no, I didn't watch the video... But the things I said were more general anyway, so it's okay. I'll watch it eventually.]


      I agree with you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tyrion View Post

      [And no, I didn't watch the video... But the things I said were more general anyway, so it's okay. I'll watch it eventually.]
      Thats why you shouldn't have replied till you watched it, the guy himself admits they're not perfect and that they need to change their policies

      and the main thing that everyone on this forum will support (not sure about you) is the right for them to defend their land from invasion
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      It's right to defend their land, no doubt.
      But they should defend their land within Islamic guidelines.
      Not everything they take responsibility for follows Islam.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl View Post
      You still didn't answer my question.
      I see this technique is widely used on the forums i.e. ignoring the answer but keep on telling, my quetion is not answered. It was answered by brother Guestfellow that if you keep an eye on daily news and history, you might not ask how it is not propeganda.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl View Post
      You still didn't answer my question.
      I don't care.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl View Post
      You still didn't answer my question.
      Go away troll.

      Anyways, the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq is unjustified and to this day there is no valid reason. We're told it's to "help the people" but i'm sorry, millions are dying from diseases these people have created in the rest of Asia and Africa and they don't get any help?.. It's much cheaper and more peaceful to spread a vaccine than kill innocents every day wtih drones and missiles. False flag attacks have been used throughout the history to justify actions of true terror and tyrany, and things like 9/11 are no different. If people continue to turn the other cheek and choose to believe the mainstream media then they are only living in ignorance and fear, really. The people the Media brands as "terorists", "militants" and whatever else are just regular people. I mean after all, if you're dead, you can't contest that you're innocent.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tyrion View Post
      I'm not sure why, but it seems like a lot of members here blindly support the Taliban, and take every opportunity to show how amazingly Muslim and misunderstood they are... I'm not going to take a side here since I don't know all that much about the actual Taliban, but the thing is, I'm pretty sure most people here don't have a lot of actual experience with the Taliban either, and yet we find vehement supporters everywhere... All I do know (and I've mentioned this before) is that some people from Afghanistan have some pretty horrific tales regarding the Taliban, and that should be enough to at least show some of you that perhaps we can't be so quick to completely support them...

      Again, I'm not taking a side. (I've learned that that's probably not a very smart thing to do here) I understand that whatever stories I might hear might not represent ALL of the Taliban, but I'm just kind of tired of the blind support, and the aggressive behavior directed at those who bring up points that are against the Taliban...

      [And no, I didn't watch the video... But the things I said were more general anyway, so it's okay. I'll watch it eventually.]
      Asalaamu Alaikum, the fact is the only stories that you are ever likely to hear about the Taliban will be extremely bias ones aimed at branding the Taliban to be like wild animals who lock women up at home and still live in prehistoric times. We all know the media is controlled by zionists and it is they along with America who are funding these illegal wars to achieve their ultimate agenda.

      The fact is the Taliban are just normal people who are trying to defend their home and people and if they have no right to do that then nor have you or me to defend our own homes against intrudors.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tyrion View Post
      I'm not sure why, but it seems like a lot of members here blindly support the Taliban, and take every opportunity to show how amazingly Muslim and misunderstood they are... I'm not going to take a side here since I don't know all that much about the actual Taliban, but the thing is, I'm pretty sure most people here don't have a lot of actual experience with the Taliban either, and yet we find vehement supporters everywhere... All I do know (and I've mentioned this before) is that some people from Afghanistan have some pretty horrific tales regarding the Taliban, and that should be enough to at least show some of you that perhaps we can't be so quick to completely support them...

      Again, I'm not taking a side. (I've learned that that's probably not a very smart thing to do here) I understand that whatever stories I might hear might not represent ALL of the Taliban, but I'm just kind of tired of the blind support, and the aggressive behavior directed at those who bring up points that are against the Taliban...

      [And no, I didn't watch the video... But the things I said were more general anyway, so it's okay. I'll watch it eventually.]

      this is well said.

      also, a spokesperson from the taliban is just about as credible as a spokesperson from the whitehouse.

      The fact is the Taliban are just normal people who are trying to defend their home and people and if they have no right to do that then nor have you or me to defend our own homes against intrudors.
      i think you mean The Fact is the taliban are another example of unwanted foreign interference in afghanistan just like NATO, the Russians, the British, alexander the great, genghis khan, etc.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
      i think you mean The Fact is the taliban are another example of unwanted foreign interference in afghanistan just like NATO, the Russians, the British, alexander the great, genghis khan, etc.
      even if we were to pretend that the thousands of taliban present in afghanistan are from foreign countries, The Fact is muslims are not seen as foreigners in muslim lands
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
      this is well said.

      also, a spokesperson from the taliban is just about as credible as a spokesperson from the whitehouse.



      i think you mean The Fact is the taliban are another example of unwanted foreign interference in afghanistan just like NATO, the Russians, the British, alexander the great, genghis khan, etc.
      The only insurgants and unwanted foreigners in Afghanistan are Nato, British and American forces. It is they who are not wanted and it is the media who decievingly portray that the Taliban are somehow not wanted in Afghanistan when it is they who gave stability to Afghanistan just like Saddam gave stability to Iraq. It is proven now that Iraq is now worse off than it ever was and was much better under Saddam.

      The allied forces will only ever make Afghanistan more unstable that it is now. Do not be fooled thinking that they are their to "free" a nation just like the media portrayed when they were in Iraq and look at Iraq now does it seem free to you?

      We must wake up and stop being fooled by the media for the media will never portray the true reality only the reality the zionists want to portray for they are only in Afghanistan to achieve their own agenda not for the reasons they will give to the public.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hamza81 View Post
      Asalaamu Alaikum, the fact is the only stories that you are ever likely to hear about the Taliban will be extremely bias ones aimed at branding the Taliban to be like wild animals who lock women up at home and still live in prehistoric times. We all know the media is controlled by zionists and it is they along with America who are funding these illegal wars to achieve their ultimate agenda.

      The fact is the Taliban are just normal people who are trying to defend their home and people and if they have no right to do that then nor have you or me to defend our own homes against intrudors.

      Says who? You?

      The fact is NONE of us know who the Taliban are. The fact is none of us has ever met Taliban. The fact is none of us have experienced occupation under the Taliban. And Tyion is talking about some of those who have experience occupation under the Taliban.

      Nor do we know whether they are actually fighting for their own people.

      Who is the Taliban? Are Pakistani Taliban the same as Afghanistan Taliban? If so, committing suicide in Pakistan killing many Muslims is hardly defending your religion or land.

      I and Tyion are NOT naive enough to support a group we don’t know, never met or experienced. No where have I seen Tyion wrote that he support western war in Afghanistan and Iraq or western media.

      I am very much against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. That does not mean I have to support Taliban.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hamza81 View Post
      The only insurgants and unwanted foreigners in Afghanistan are Nato, British and American forces. It is they who are not wanted and it is the media who decievingly portray that the Taliban are somehow not wanted in Afghanistan when it is they who gave stability to Afghanistan just like Saddam gave stability to Iraq. It is proven now that Iraq is now worse off than it ever was and was much better under Saddam.

      The allied forces will only ever make Afghanistan more unstable that it is now. Do not be fooled thinking that they are their to "free" a nation just like the media portrayed when they were in Iraq and look at Iraq now does it seem free to you?

      We must wake up and stop being fooled by the media for the media will never portray the true reality only the reality the zionists want to portray for they are only in Afghanistan to achieve their own agenda not for the reasons they will give to the public.
      Saddam gave stability to Iraq? Subhanallah

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ubah View Post

      Says who? You?

      The fact is NONE of us know who the Taliban are. The fact is none of us has ever met Taliban. The fact is none of us have experienced occupation under the Taliban. And Tyion is taking some of those who have experience occupation under the Taliban.
      Nor do we know whether they are actually fighting for their own people.
      Who is the Taliban? Are Pakistani Taliban the same as Afghanistan Taliban? If so, committing suicide in Pakistan killing many Muslims is hardly defending your religion or land.
      I and Tyion are NOT naive enough to support a group we don’t know, never met or experienced. No where have I seen Tyion wrote that he support western war in Afghanistan and Iraq or western media.
      I am very much against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. That does not mean I have to support Taliban.
      Asalaamu Alaikum, Sister if you wish to remain neutral then why did you state that it was Taliban who are setting off suicide bombs in Pakistan? Did you get that from the media? If you wish to remain neutral then do not attribute suicide bombing to the Taliban if you do not know for certain whether it was them or not.

      It is very easy for anyone to commit an atrocity and blame it on a group of people. This is a very old tactic and one which is used very successfully.
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