Hello fish&chips aka Happytime aka Partysoverkids,

Originally Posted by fish&chips

Sounds like something from a Hamas/Iran training video

Just goes to show how wrong the image conveyed by the media is.

I think we've strayed from the topic somewhat...

Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

Hello fish&chips aka Happytime aka Partysoverkids,
Just goes to show how wrong the image conveyed by the media is.

...AKA MADMAX37. It's always someone elses fault, isn't it. One trick pony.

ok the new thread for the benefit of sis islamgyal is HERE<<click

For the rest wanting to discuss Hitler the Devout Christian - please do so in this thread

Thank you

Originally Posted by madmax37

...AKA MADMAX37.

AKA annoying

It's always someone elses fault, isn't it. One trick pony.

Unfortunately, a human carries with him too much pride and will never admit his mistakes until he loses it (pride).

Why do people make so many IDs ?

I dont get it except that they wana cause problems for others!

we were taught in school that he was not Christian, that he had his own Hedonistic style Cult, that he was heavily influenced by strange dark cults.

Even if he was not Christian, Kradzic the killer of Muslims in Bosnia is hidden by Christian Orthodox Monks.

Originally Posted by fish&chips

Why would Hitler be a devil ? Because of the Holocaust maybe ? According to many on this site, the Holocaust didn't happen.

I do believe in holocoust event, my grandfather serve the royal british army. He had visited the death camp, actually help the victims. He have photo of his troops taken togather in concentration camp located in germany....Hitler is devil, racist and fascist man...

Originally Posted by akulion

ok the new thread for the benefit of sis islamgyal is HERE<<click

For the rest wanting to discuss Hitler the Devout Christian - please do so in this thread

Looks like members do a good job of moderating the forum on their own :okay: JazakumAllahu khayran guys; I've moved the remaining off-topic posts from this thread to the new thread entitled 'Understanding Islam'.

Jazak Allah Khair bro

I do believe in holocoust event, my grandfather serve the royal british army. He had visited the death camp, actually help the victims. He have photo of his troops taken togather in concentration camp located in germany....Hitler is devil, racist and fascist man...

I too believe it.It DID happen.funny thing....where did your family come from?

Well Hitler was just being a Devout Christian and following what the Bible says...

If my kingdom were from this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews.
-Jesus in John 18:36 [NRSV]

Of course Hitler lived in this world and, indeed, his followers fought for him against the Jews.

Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the ****ation of hell?
-Matthew 23:33

Hitler took Jesus to heart when he said:

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 [Baynes]

After all Jesus died for his sins too didnt he?

Thus according to Christianity HITLER IS SAVED - HALELUUELA!!!

Oh dear....where are the Christian memebers to clear this up?

Clearly these posts and a few others in this thread were for no other purpose than to mock both christians and thier religion. Personally I am not offended, but I have noticed the obvious hypocrisy presented here. When other members even hint at something that might seem like a criticism of islam, or even merely asking honest questions about islam, many of these very mockers are the first to be offended and complain about what they perceive as disrespect for islam. Yet, here are the very same members openly mocking other members and thier beliefs. A little bit hypocritical I think. Also it is sin against islam.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
“The Muslim does not slander, curse, speak obscenely or speak rudely.” Clearly mocking others is both slander and rude speaking. I am sure there will be some negative responses to this post as these hypocrites have also proven themselves unable to accept when someone points out the truth. But the saying by the prophet does not say ".......speak obscenely or speak rudely - except when a kafir has pointed out that you are already being rude." This kind of behavior leads nonmuslims to believe that muslims are rude, and does nothing to help islam. Fortunately for me, I know a good lot of polite muslims in this forum, and am aware that the rude mockers are youngsters that have not yet matured. I have respect for the good members of this forum and will not mock or disrespect thier religion.
Anyway, greetings Hana_aku. I think I can help with your understanding. You said,

Well, the problem is this: Christians have denied that Hitler was a Christian. They claim he was an athiest so he will go to Hell. However, he WAS a Christian, who believed that Jesus, pbuh, was his saviour....and according to Christianity, that's enough to enter heaven because Jesus paid the penalty for sins.

I don't deny Hitler was a christian or not, I never met him, he may very well have been. It is the part where you say,

who believed that Jesus, pbuh, was his saviour....and according to Christianity, that's enough to enter heaven

that is not completely right. Belief in Jesus as your savior is not enough, it does not give you a free pass. Some christians may mistakenly believe this, but it is wrong. A person must also repent ones sins, and with the intention of not repeating the same sins again. Also that person must accept God's will in thier life, and follow God, and lead others by example. Sadly, just as in islam, many do a poor job of leading by example. Anyway, there is no easy ride, as some would try to make you believe. So Hitler, even if he were a praticing christian, would have had little chance of seeing heaven. But, according the Bible, even Hitler would have a chance. If he were to repent, and be truly remorseful (not just trying to save his butt from hell), and truly sorry for what he had done, and accepted god in his heart, he too could go to heaven. God is forgiving to all of mankind, even Hitler.
Having said that, not that I have the right to judge anyone, but I doubt very much that we will be seeing Hitler in heaven.

He's proving what Christianity has claimed was false.

I am sorry sister, but I must disagree here. If Hitler were a christian that would not prove that it's teachings were wrong anymore than any similiar accusations against a terrorist that also happened to be a muslim. It is the same as what many of you have said many times in these forums, about judge the person, not the religion. Many muslims(just as many christians) have committed evil acts, but that does not prove that islam is evil, only the man. Some would say"but then he is not a true muslim", and I am sure that is true. And Hitler, even if he were a practicing christian, could not have been a true christian in his heart.
If islam truly is a religion of peace, that teaches not to harm others, and to be humble, then islam and christianity have very similiar values. The problem is, many muslims and christians are too proud, too rude, and full of anger and hate. We truly are not living as god wants. We are men, we all sin. Peace to all.

I must applaud you Malsidabym for you are the first Christian I have heard say that if you believe in Jesus it dosent necessarily mean you will go to heaven or be saved

However one thing to note is that Hitler was highly influenced by the Christian Doctrine as mentioned in my above post if you read it.

It is something to think about deeply because:

- It is the same doctrine with which the Church used to justify killing women as "witches"

- It is the same doctrine with which the church used to justify killing of deniers of jesus as "blasphemers"

- It is the same doctrine with which the church used to justify the killing of scientists as "heritics"

It is another fact altogether that the Church keeps changing Christianity to cover up the atrocities commited by the Church and its supporters in the past. But we cannot turn a blind eye to it.


Some questions which arise:

-Why would the Church support Hitler in the first place including the Vatican at that time?

-Why would the Church support the atrocities that went on in the middle ages?

-Why would the word of God need to be changed so that it dosent seem so harsh any more?

- why does the Church need to keep ammending the bible over and over and over through out history?

These are questions which are "easily" dismissed by Christians usually-- but really WHY?

Is faith so useless that we cannot ask these important questions?
Has the Church become so powerful that it can get away with doing anyting to the Christian faith?

It just never ceases to astonish me how Christians can sit there and watch the church tear shreads out of the bible over the centuries..bit by bit by bit...

Originally Posted by Hana_Aku

Salam Alaikum:

No they will say he is NOT going to heaven, but they say it's because he wasn't Christian. He most definitely WAS Christian, and according to their teachings, his belief in Jesus as the saviour means he has a free ticket to Heaven.

However, no Christian will be able to explain why a believing Christian brother, like Hitler, will not enter heaven. They will just tell you "he won't", but it goes against what they teach.

Wasalam
Hana

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No, sister. He can't just profess Jesus as his savoir. He would have had to repent and be sorry for all that he did. He didn't (repent) and wasn't(sorry) so he will not go to heaven. I was a Christian and that isn't what we were taught. Of course, some people like to think that is what happens and they talk themselves into believing there is no accountability but that isn't what Christianity says.
Everyone knows of someone(maybe not personally) who thinks that just because they are Muslim, Jew, or Christian they will go to heaven. Am I right?