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http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ar/kashmir.htm

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Kashmiri militant groups have committed serious abuses, including the deliberate targeting of Kashmir Hindus by fundamentalists, terrorist groups and foreign mercenaries. The persecution by Muslim extremists of the Hindu minority and the systematic religion-based extremism of terrorist elements has resulted in the exodus of 250,000 members of the Hindu and other minorities from the Kashmir Valley to other parts of India.
It is just as easy to blame Muslims as it is Hindus. In a conflict that has lasted over 60 years, both sides have to bare the responsibility of many atrocities.

It is nice to believe that “Your Group” is always right. “Your Group” never does any thing wrong. “Your Group” is always the victim. “Your Group” only fights for what is right. “Your Group” “Your Group” “Your Group”……..
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A LIE if I ever heard one. Muslims are resisting Indian army and killing Indian soldiers who invaded Kashmir and have been occupying it since 1947, killing, pillaging, raping, and displacing the Muslims. India is guilty of genocide against Muslims, and Muslims have every right to retaliate.

"Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." (5:45)
For once I agree with you. Those Kashmiris have nowhere to leave to, but resist the hindu .

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For once I agree with you. Those Kashmiris have nowhere to leave to, but resist the hindu scum.
And Hindus are responsible for that. They're the one who don't want to solve the dispute peacefully. They want to impose their descision by force. Problem with Muslims is that they never accept anything by force.
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A LIE if I ever heard one. Muslims are resisting Indian army and killing Indian soldiers who invaded Kashmir and have been occupying it since 1947, killing, pillaging, raping, and displacing the Muslims. India is guilty of genocide against Muslims, and Muslims have every right to retaliate.

"Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." (5:45)
Another Hate message by yours truly. Muslims have every right and Indians only kill, pillag, rape, and displace the Muslims. India is guilty of genocide so it is ok to kill all the Indians you want.

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And Hindus are responsible for that. They're the one who don't want to solve the dispute peacefully. They want to impose their descision by force. Problem with Muslims is that they never accept anything by force.
Just more "every thing is someone else's fault". It must be nice to belong to a group that never takes responsibility for anything bad.
   
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Just more "every thing is someone else's fault". It must be nice to belong to a group that never takes responsibility for anything bad.
It's only the Hindus who think that way thats why they blame Muslims for everything. They call the Muslim freedom fighters as terrorists and call the Indian military as a victim who enterd into Kashmir and kills the Kashmiri Muslims in their homes.

You're repeating your blame on Muslims in each of your posts, but never answer my question regarding why Indian leadership avoids the political solution of Kashmir dispute. Why Hindus who believe in their side of the story don't ask their leadership to tell that story and win the case? The simple answer is that you know that's a fake story which could fool nobody but Hindus.

Pakistan's case on Kashmir is so strong that even a non-political leader (like Musharraf) could win it easily on the table even if the dialogue are held in India. This is an open challenge. Go ask your leadership to face the facts instead of listening to their blanket excuses.
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There is definitely a lot of one sided finger pointing going on. It seems like certain actions are defended on this forum as long as they are perpetrated by a certain group. I dont think I have ever agreed as much with Agnostics and Atheists as I do here ( ).
   
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It is always good to see someone with an open mind. It's only the Hindus because all Muslims are good. Right?
   
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It is always good to see someone with an open mind. It's only the Hindus because all Muslims are good. Right?
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It is always good to see someone with an open mind. It's only the Hindus because all Muslims are good. Right?
All Muslims may not be good. But on the Kashmir issue they're right at least. If Hindus are right, then they should prove it. They've been invited on the table to prove the Muslims wrong on this issue many times. They never did.
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All Muslims may not be good. But on the Kashmir issue they're right at least. If Hindus are right, then they should prove it. They've been invited on the table to prove the Muslims wrong on this issue many times. They never did.
My understanding, which may be wrong, is that Kashmir has been a part of India for a long time. It is a area that has many people that want to seperate. Is this correct?
   
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Kashmir was STOLEN by India forcefully since 1947. Ever since they have been brutally slaughtering any Muslims who try to resist them. They have imprisoned Muslim leaders and accused anyone who resists their repression as being "terrorists". Mainstream Indian political parties like BJP are not interested in "secularism", they want to transform India into a Hindu state. They faciliated the martyrdom of Babri Masjid (shaheed) back in 1992, and ever since the so called secular, democratic India has failed to restore the Masjid. The BJP habitually starts communal riots, like the one in Gujarat in 2002 which saw the massacre of thousands of Muslim men, women, children, and elderly. This is the reality the persecuted Muslim community faces daily in India. The real terrorists are Hindus, they seem to have an unquenching thirst for the blood of Muslims.
   
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I posted up the video about this in Islamic Multimedia. http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...ole-truth.html (Kashmir - The Whole Truth?). If yall think we're lying, go watch it yourselves. 25 views but no comments..hmmm....

If you guys want to discuss this, watch the vid and comment there. I would love some comments on it....neways back to the article.

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My understanding, which may be wrong, is that Kashmir has been a part of India for a long time. It is a area that has many people that want to seperate. Is this correct?
It's not only Kashmir, but also Pakistan was a part of India for a long time in the time of Muslim rulers which continued in the British rule. Then due to many reasons Muslims decided to separate from India. It was agreed that Muslim majority areas would go to Pakistan. Kashmir is a Muslim majority area which was occupied by India by force. Kashmiris are struggling to get out of Indian occupation since then. Pakistan and India have fought many wars on this dispute. India promised to hold a plebicite in Kashmir under the supervision of UNO when in 1948 it faced a defeat from Pakistani and Kashmiri forces. After that it's been delaying the political solution. It's depolyed the bigged army in Kashmir to supress their freedom. Millions of Kashmir Muslims have been killed by the Indian army. It's the Indians who termed the Kashmiri freedom fighters as terrorists.
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and Greetings,

We have plenty of threads already on the topic of Kashmir in the World Affairs section. If this thread is not headed for a productive course then it may as well be closed.

I would also like to clarify that we do not defend unislamic actions pertaining to violence and injustice. An action is wrong regardless of who the perpetrator happens to be.
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