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    General staffs before World War I began war planning with demographic tables, calculating how many men of military age they might feed to the machine guns. France preferred an early war because its stagnant population would not produce enough soldiers a generation hence to fight Germany. Only Israel’s general staff looks at demographic tables today, to draw prospective boundaries that will enclose a future Jewish majority.

    Demographics still provide vital strategic information, albeit in quite a different fashion. Today’s Islamists think like the French general staff in 1914. Islam has one generation in which to establish a global theocracy before hitting a demographic barrier. Islam has enough young men - the pool of unemployed Arabs is expected to reach 25 million by 2010 - to fight a war during the next 30 years. Because of mass migration to Western Europe, the worst of the war might be fought on European soil.



    Although the Muslim birth rate today is the world’s second highest (after sub-Saharan Africa), it is falling faster than the birth rate of any other culture. By 2050, according to the latest UN projections, the population growth rate of the Muslim world will converge on that of the United States (although it will be much higher than Europe's or China's).

    Falling fertility measures the growing influence of modernity upon the Muslim world. Literacy rates, especially female literacy, best explain the difference between the very high fertility rates of pre-modern society and the moderate fertility rates of industrial countries, as I showed in a recent study (Death by secularism: The statistical evidence, August 1, 2005).



    This is clearly the case in the Muslim world where the lowest rates of adult literacy correspond to the highest population growth rate. Literacy alone explains 58% of the variation in birth rates among Muslim countries.

    Urbanization, literacy, and openness to the modern world ultimately will suppress the Muslim womb, in the absence of radical measures. In a new volume of essays on modern Islamic thought, the Islamists Suha Taji-Farouki and Basheer M Nafi observe, “Rather than being a development within cultural traditions that is internally generated, 20th century Islamic thought is constitutively responsive; it is substantially a reaction to extrinsic challenges.” [1] The challenge stems from the transformation of Muslim life:

    In the Middle East of 1900, for example, less than 10% of the inhabitants were city dwellers; by 1980, 47% were urban. In 1800, Cairo had a population of 250,000, rising to 600,000 by the beginning of the 20th century. The unprecedented influx of immigrants from rural areas brought the population of Cairo to almost 8 million by 1980. Massive urbanization altered patterns of living, of housing and architecture, of the human relation with space and land, of marketing, employment, and consumption, and the very structure of family and social hierarchy. [2]

    The sharp fall in the Muslim population growth rate expresses the extreme fragility of traditional society. Translated into the Islamist vocabulary (citing again Taji-Farouki and Nafi), this means that:

    A Muslim sense of vulnerability and outrage is further exacerbated by the seemingly unstoppable encroachment of American popular culture and modes of consumerism and the transparent hypocrisy of the American rhetoric of universal rights and liberties. It is also stoked by Western ambivalence towards economic disparities in the world. [3]

    Rapid urbanization, to be sure, produced growing pains in every case on record. Britain transported its displaced population to America and then to Australia, including the “clearing” of entire Scots villages forced onto ships for Canada. But Britain’s urbanization coincided with rapid economic growth and improving living standards. The Arab world’s urbanization has only created a stagnant pool of urban poor. As the London Economist summarized in the United Nations Arab Development Report for 2002:

    One in five Arabs still live on less than $2 a day. And over the past 20 years growth in income per head, at an annual rate of .5%, was lower than anywhere else in the world except sub-Saharan Africa. At this rate, says the report, it will take the average Arab 140 years to double his income, a target that some regions are set to reach in less than 10 years. Stagnant growth, together with a fast-rising population, means vanishing jobs. About 12 million people, or 15% of the labor force, are already unemployed, and on present trends the number could rise to 25 million by 2010. [4]

    Excluding Indonesia, the Muslim’s world literacy rate stands at only 53%, against 81% for China; Arab literacy is only 50%. Only 1% of the population owns a personal computer. It is delusional to believe that the Arab world, which now exports (net of oil) as much as Finland, might come to compete with China, India and the rest of Asia in the global market for goods and services.

    Just as the Muslim population peaks, the one bounty that nature has bestowed upon the Arabs, namely oil, will begin to diminish. According to the US Department of Energy, conventional oil production will peak just before 2050 at the present 2% rate of production growth.

    In short, the Muslim world half a century from now can expect the short end of the stick from the modern world. It has generated only two great surpluses, namely people and oil. By the middle of the century both of these will have begun to dwindle. But at the moment it has 25 million idle young men. No leader can remain in power who does not give them a destination to march to.

    By no means does that imply that all of these 25 million will become suicide bombers, but a great many of them are likely to emigrate to Europe, including Eastern Europe, where populations are stagnant and about to decline. A Muslim takeover of Western Europe surely is a possible outcome.

    Notes
    [1] Suha Taji-Farouki and Basheer M. Nafi, Islamic Thought in the Twentieth Century (Tauris: London 2004), p 9
    [2] Ibid, p 2
    [3] Op cit, p 14
    [4] Economist, July 4, 2002



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    its shows how much u know about the ending of the world, so much struff has already happened that was written in the quran, believe it or not but muslims will prevail by the end of the world, no matter what the papers say.

    and as much as u hate to hear this but we aint going anywhere

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    I don't know where this guy got the idea that the muslim world only consists of arabs, when the arabs are only a minority.


    Anyway:


    The final Messenger of Allaah/God, Muhammad (peace be upon him) spoke the truth when he said:

    "There will not cease to be a group from my ummah [community - the muslims], dominant upon the truth. The ones who abandon them will not be able to harm them, until the decree of Allaah comes."
    [Authentically Reported in Saheeh Muslim]





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    so true, may allah keep our faiths strong, and keep the quran and sunnah close to our hearts.

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    Ameen how many times in history have those who disbelieved tried to eradicate Islaam, yet Allaah perfected it without a doubt, no matter how much they oppose it.

    They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

    It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).


    [Qur'an 9: 32-3]
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    umm.....Arabs make up only 17% of the Muslim population

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    England, did u draw that black line yourself on Microsoft Paint???

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    Since when are we being compared with China and germany and Usa ?

    those are countries not faiths


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    Quote Originally Posted by DAWUD_adnan View Post
    Since when are we being compared with China and germany and Usa ?

    those are countries not faiths
    No what it's doing is it's comparing muslims in the "muslim" world to muslims in "Germany" and the "USA" and "China."

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    Quote Originally Posted by - Qatada - View Post



    I don't know where this guy got the idea that the muslim world only consists of arabs, when the arabs are only a minority.


    Anyway:


    The final Messenger of Allaah/God, Muhammad (peace be upon him) spoke the truth when he said:

    "There will not cease to be a group from my ummah [community - the muslims], dominant upon the truth. The ones who abandon them will not be able to harm them, until the decree of Allaah comes."
    [Authentically Reported in Saheeh Muslim]

    agreed! arabs only make up 20% of the muslim population.


    "Religion is very easy & whoever overburdens himself in his religion won't be able to continue in that way.So you should'nt be extremists,but try to be near to perfection & receive good tidings that you'll be rewarded;& gain strength by worshipping in the mornings,the nights." (bukhari vol.1 no.38).

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    Modern warfare is not about how much men you have, it's about power projection. You need rescources like fuel and you need the right military equipment like aircraft carriers etc etc to place your men in the right positions

    a 2 million man muslim army with all the right tools could conquer or defend more than a 20 or 30 million man army ever could dream off

    leadership and determination is also very important


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    Yes the future is intressting, but dont belive in hypothesis. in the 1960s they talked of the futurustic 80s when al cars would be nuclear driven et c.

    The future is always unexpected,

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    Modern warfare is not about how much men you have, it's about power projection. You need rescources like fuel and you need the right military equipment like aircraft carriers etc etc to place your men in the right positions

    a 2 million man muslim army with all the right tools could conquer or defend more than a 20 or 30 million man army ever could dream off

    leadership and determination is also very important
    lol bro, just imagine the difference between 200 Mujahideen and 2000 soldiers of any country? hahaha . lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHMED_GUREY View Post
    Modern warfare is not about how much men you have, it's about power projection. You need rescources like fuel and you need the right military equipment like aircraft carriers etc etc to place your men in the right positions

    a 2 million man muslim army with all the right tools could conquer or defend more than a 20 or 30 million man army ever could dream off

    leadership and determination is also very important
    If you're referring to the suggestion of a war being fought on European soil as it says in the article then the troops would be much higher than that of 20-30 million. As I have said before, people will fight for their lands. I'd put it in the region of billion(s) man army...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vpb View Post
    lol bro, just imagine the difference between 200 Mujahideen and 2000 soldiers of any country? hahaha . lol
    What the islamic ummah needs is leaders of Iranic decent. Salaudin, the Iranian revolutionary guard commanders that defended LEbanon when Israel attacked et c.

    Iranian brains and Arabic numbers is what the ummah needs.

    But it will not happen cause the arab states are kufir strongholds

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    What the islamic ummah needs is leaders of Iranic decent. Salaudin, the Iranian revolutionary guard commanders that defended LEbanon when Israel attacked et c.

    Iranian brains and Arabic numbers is what the ummah needs.

    But it will not happen cause the arab states are kufir strongholds
    i need to filter a little bit your post, it would be enough to have 2000 Khattabs, 2000 Salahudeens and there is no need for numbers or anything. the only is needed is pious muslims whose faith is strong.

    But it will not happen cause the arab states are kufir strongholds
    a government can fall at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by England View Post
    If you're referring to the suggestion of a war being fought on European soil as it says in the article then the troops would be much higher than that of 20-30 million. As I have said before, people will fight for their lands. I'd put it in the region of billion(s) man army...
    The soviet army was much larger than the invading German army in WW2 but evendo it was outnumbered the Germans almost completely destroyed the whole red army because of the abundance of equipment and fuel on their side, it was only when the Russian winter entered the war that the Germans began losing battles because [1] the equipment needed wasn't coming in from German Factories(transportation problems and the fact that these same factories were being bombed themselves) and [2] because of the build up of military equipment on the side of the Russians by Soviet factories which enabled the red army to push back the German army and eventually force them to surrender

    You could mobolize a billion man army(btw Europe's population is not a billion and probably won't be in 2050 IIRC) and still get defeated by a much much smaller army cause that billion man army won't able to move and basically are sitting ducks not to mention how fast they will burn up rescources like fuel,equipment and food etc etc


    Subhanallah

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    it's the faith and the strategy what makes an armry win, irrelevant of the number of soldiers.

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    Quite odd. I go to:
    Islam in the year 2050
    And there is talk of war.

    Odd, but not surprising.

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    Here is a good article in response to the first article, though, I believe that the numbers now are 1.86 not 1.6 bil. as the author notes


    The Worldwide Muslim Population Explosion

    One of every four humans in the world is a Muslim. Muslims have increased by over 235 percent in the last fifty years, up to 1.6 billion. Islam is the second largest religious group in France, Great Britain and the U.S.A. Largely through immigration, the Muslim population of the United States grew six fold between 1972 and 1990.

    Last year, seven percent of babies born in European Union countries were Muslim. In Brussels, the figure was a staggering 57 percent. Islam is already the second religion of almost every European state - the only exceptions being those European countries such as Azerbaijan and Albania, where it is already the majority. If current trends continue, an overall ten percent of European nationals will be Muslim by the year 2020.

    There were 945,000 Muslims living in the Netherlands in 2004, double the amount in 1990, reported the Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS). The Islamic community made up 5.8 percent of the Dutch population in January 2004, and its numbers will swell in coming years. The CBS expects there will be more than a million Muslims living in the Netherlands by 2006.

    In Maghrib (Northwest Africa) between 1965 and 1990, the population rose from 29.8 million to 59 million. During the same period, the number of Egyptians increased from 29.4 million to 52.4 million. In Central Asia, between 1970 and 1993, populations grew at an annual rate of 2.9 percent in Tajikistan, 2.6 percent in Uzbekistan, 2.5 percent in Turkmenistan, and 1.9 percent in Kyrgyzstan. In the 1970s, the demographic balance in the Soviet Union shifted drastically, with Muslims increasing by 24 percent, while Russians increased by only 6.5 percent. In some countries, such as Tanzania and Macedonia, Muslims will become a majority within twenty years.

    Conclusion

    If the West's population is top-heavy, (i.e., the ratio of youth to elderly is low), that of Muslim populations is the opposite. For example, today more than half the population of Algeria is under the age of twenty, and this situation is similar elsewhere. These young populations will reproduce and perpetuate the increase of Muslims on a percentage basis well into the next millennium.

    Total World population................ 5,771,939,007 (1996)
    % of Muslims.......................... 26% (1996)
    World Muslim population............... 1,678,442,000 (1998)


    Growth of Islam:
    Africa................................ 2.15%
    Latin America......................... 4.73%
    Asia.................................. 12.57%
    North America......................... 25%
    Europe................................ 142.35%
    Australia............................. 257.01%


    Top 10 Largest National Muslim Populations:
    Indonesia............................. 170,310,000
    Pakistan.............................. 136,000,000
    Bangladesh............................ 106,050,000
    India................................. 103,000,000
    Turkey................................ 62,410,000
    Iran.................................. 60,790,000
    Egypt................................. 53,730,000
    Nigeria............................... 47,720,000
    *China................................ 37,108,000


    *Reliable religious statistics are difficult to obtain from the communist nation of China, and the actual number of Muslims in China is likely to be greater than the figure presented above.

    The Muslim population in China is 11% by Chinese Muslim sources. This is based on the fact that the ethnic "Hui" group is predominantly Muslim, and 9% of the Chinese population belongs to this group. There are Uigurs and other Turkic people in addition to that, mostly in northwestern China, who constitute the remaining 2%... At the current size of China’s total population, 11% being Muslim would equate to at least 120 million by these conservative estimates.

    According to the Chinese population statistics of 1936, the Republic of China had an estimated 48 million Muslims. The government census of 1982, however, put the number much lower, at 15 million. By this time the total population of China has increased 3-4 fold. From this we could safely conclude that the total Muslim population has increased by the same proportion, at a minimum (excluding the possibility of Chinese Muslim genocide). Therefore, the total Muslim population of China would be at least 150 million by this calculation. The Chinese government refuses to disclose the actual number of Muslims residing in China, so estimations vary from the "official" 20 million to the unofficial 200 million.

    Muslim population growth may be driven by factors other than the choice to have more children. Because Muslims are not as promiscuous as the rest of the human race, they have largely avoided the global AIDS epidemic. While there is some danger that a whole generation of youth in certain sub-Saharan African countries could die of AIDS, the rate of infection in Muslim countries is typically less than one in a thousand adults. If large numbers of non-Muslims die of AIDS, and the Muslims do not, then their relative population will inevitably increase.

    AIDS is only one of many venereal diseases that afflict humanity. If Muslims have avoided AIDS, it is a safe assumption that they have also avoided the other sexually transmitted diseases as well. Some of those diseases, like Hepatitis C, are deadly. Other venereal diseases, particularly Gonorrhea and Chlamydia, do not kill but they do cause infertility. Infertility is far less common in Egypt than America. While about twenty percent of American couples are infertile, only ten percent of Egyptian couples are.

    Some of this Muslim advantage in population growth might be eliminated by technological advances, such as drugs that cure, or vaccines that prevent venereal diseases. On the other hand, Gonorrhea is progressively becoming immune to more and more antibiotics, and various strains of AIDS are becoming immune to the drug cocktails that hold it in check. Promiscuous people not only spread venereal diseases, but they also provide the environment in which new ones can evolve. On the other hand, if most of the world's population becomes Muslim, some venereal diseases might become extinct.



    Mind-bending pictures from far far away...





    This is an aerial view of the Masjid al-Haram, the largest mosque in Mecca. There are approximately 2.5 million people, representing every race and nationality, from every corner of the globe, assembled in and around this superstructure.




    Zooming in on this massive mosque, you can see the millions of people, all simultaneously supplicating to the Creator of the Universe. There is nothing else like this on the face of the earth.




    In the center of the mosque stands The Kaba, a cubical stone structure draped in heavy black silk curtains and embroidered with pure gold and silver thread. This structure was originally built by the prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, thousands of years ago. It was the first building on earth built purely for the worship of the Creator of the Universe. This is when the pilgrimage, or Hajj was first established. In this picture you can see countless people standing in concentric rings around The Kaba. The bass reverberation of their voices as they all recite in unison sends shockwaves of sound that you could never imagine...




    KABA!!!

    It is the obligation of every muslim to perform these rights at least once in his or her life if they are able to make the trip. There is one condition however. No one can take place in this event unless they believe and testify that there is nothing worthy of admiration or worship except the Creator of the Universe, and that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was The Creator's final messenger sent to mankind to teach them this amazing truth.
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    So somehow I think we'll thrive and survive the predictions!
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