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amani · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

actually i agree with most points just not points 5 and 7. dont know where point 6 is. sometimes ive felt that muslim countries are so striving to follow the west but in what ways? they are leaving out the main important ways like anti racism etc which is infact from Islam.

who was the article written by?

skhalid · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Muslim Knight

EDIT

The last time I post something like this. I'm ashamed that instead of discussing & refuting points you don't agree, you guys just make this look like national heresy.

sorry.........lol i don't know whta you on about 4give me and make dua for me......

NoName55 · 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha Dude

I agree completely.

Muslim Knight, thanks for posting initially...you seriously shouldn't have felt the need to edit!

yah. especially when it was being approved by so many "friends of ISlam".

Then fundamentalists like me come in and spoil the approval rating for this Godforsaken site, whose ultimate aim seems to be to please the mushrikeen(with the exception of some of the staff).

any distortion half truth and lie is okay as long as it pleases the forerunners of al-Dajjal

NoName55 · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

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Originally Posted by amani

actually i agree with most points just not points 5 and 7. dont know where point 6 is. sometimes ive felt that muslim countries are so striving to follow the west but in what ways? they are leaving out the main important ways like anti racism etc which is infact from Islam.

who was the article written by?

How does something get polluted?

is it alright to accept something that has lies and truth mixed together? then may aswell accept the new testament and o.t as okay too, for those are only partially based on lies and distortion

Keltoi · 02:05 PM

Too bad the article is gone, I have no idea what this discussion is about.

* now I do

Seems very sensible to me. I'm sort of perplexed why some are so outraged by it.

czgibson · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

Greetings,

Here's a link to the article, so we know what we're talking about:

http://jidal.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/protest/

Perhaps those who object to it would like to explain their views.

Peace

doorster · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

if the new admin was not busy being a buisnessman, he would read up on Farouk A. Peru and Lina joy a friend of Farouk A. Peru

Muslim Knight · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

Well, I guess, no harm in discussing about it. After all, while Islam is perfect, Muslims are not. I think this article is good because it is a wake up call for the Ummah. Though I don't agree completely with the author on certain issues, I've read his defense of Islam on Malaysia Today website against ignorant bigots who seek to solely blame Islam and Muslims for world problems. His arguments were done in intellectual manner despite incessant name-calling and insults thrown at his directions by detractors of Islam. His actions were commendable.

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What Muslims should protest against … but don’t

By Farouk Peru

It is now a familiar sight in the media seeing Muslims riot in the world for one thing or another. It is undeniable that Muslims can get emotional, although the proportion of Muslims who do take to the streets are minuscule compared to the number of Muslims there actually are, the focus of the media makes it look as if the whole of the Muslim world are semi-professional rioters, ready to march, shout, burn effigies and embassies at the drop of the hat.

I believe that there are issues which should emote the Muslims, because they are people who believe in the Quran and the Quran denounces certain things most strongly. Funnily enough, these issues do not include things like drawing the Prophet’s pictures in an insulting manner. In the Quran, for anyone who insults or mocks the Prophet or Muslims the right response is to simply ignore them, walk past them, give them greetings of peace or to tell them that the Muslims would continue working for a better world.
Here are some issues which should find Muslims take to the streets to peacefully protest (as well as to strive against)…but don’t :

1. Poverty. Poverty is such a problem in the world that 3 billion people subsist on the less than 2USD daily! The Quran actually equates a person’s generosity to the orphans and the poor to his truthfulness to Islam and so it’s a vital thing for Muslims to be against poverty in any shape or form. Yet we do not see Muslims protesting against this sorry state in the world.

2. Honour Killings - a problem in Pakistan and Bangladesh, two countries with an almost 100% Muslim populace. Yet we do not see Muslims take the streets protesting strongly against this blatant disregard for Allah’s command. Muslims are told in the Quran that if they saved a life, it would as if saving a life of the entire human race.

3. Child labour - a problem again all over the world world. Children are being trafficked by nefarious individuals, forcing them to move across borders to work. Muslims are told in the Quran that children are a gift from God and so must feel strongly about the exploitation of children but once again, we do not see Muslims protesting.

4. Suppression of Cultures - in the UK, political correctness has pushed native English culture into the underground, even saying that the public display of the St Georges Flag to be offensive to the ethnic minorities. The Quran posits recognition of all lineages and cultures and so, Muslims should protest against the suppression of any one culture.

5. Death Fatwas by Religious Authorities. When religious authorities declare death sentences against anyone, Muslims should protest because the Quran only permits the taking of life in case of actual fighting or as a retaliation for murder yet they are silent on the matter.

7. Terrorism : This is the major issue burning in people’s minds at present with the ‘war on terror’. Muslims have shown their disapproval of terrorism but has that been enough? For what the terrorists are said to have done, the intensity of protest should be loud and clear and terrorists should be clearly expelled and dissociated from Muslim communities. Yet for this ‘make or break’ issue, once again Muslims have failed to show a voice loud enough to make it clear.

It is not too late to get Muslim values straight. The source is ready to be looked into, the Quran. All a person has to do is engage with it and acquire its values and his priorities will be straight once again.

NoName55 · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

Don't you people first read about the people you copy paste from?
Don't you first like to find out who they and their friends are?

Muslim Knight · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

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Originally Posted by NoName55

How does something get polluted?

is it alright to accept something that has lies and truth mixed together? then may aswell accept the new testament and o.t as okay too, for those are only partially based on lies and distortion

If you can properly address the issues concerned, then we may get a headstart on a proper intellectual discussion. I've read the author's defense of Islam in Malaysia Today website amidst so many non-believers and outright kuffar that and their relentless attacks on Islam, he single-handedly choose to address their assaults and break their arguments one-by-one. For me, it was so feeble that I could only direct them to Islamic forums if they were so keen on finding the truth.

Muslim Knight · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

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Originally Posted by NoName55

Don't you people first read about the people you copy paste from?
Don't you first like to find out who they and their friends are?

Since you know something that we don't know, why don't you enlighten us before you hand out judgment?

NoName55 · 02:39 PM

Being Farouk A. Peru in the World

"I am a human being in the world. This is the beginning of the matter and this is the end.

As a human being, I am in the world a certain way. I seek pleasure, avoid pain and seek everlasting existence. This is my existentialisation.
In order to fulfil my existentialisation, I must seek my essence and what I consider to be the essence of humanity itself. Therefore I must essentialise.
This blog is about existentialisation and essentialisation : my being in the world"

czgibson · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

Greetings,

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoName55

Being Farouk A. Peru in the World

"I am a human being in the world. This is the beginning of the matter and this is the end.

As a human being, I am in the world a certain way. I seek pleasure, avoid pain and seek everlasting existence. This is my existentialisation.
In order to fulfil my existentialisation, I must seek my essence and what I consider to be the essence of humanity itself. Therefore I must essentialise.
This blog is about existentialisation and essentialisation : my being in the world"

An attempt at phenomenological writing. He's been reading Heidegger, I would guess.

What exactly is your objection to this man, NoName?

Peace

NoName55 · 03:17 PM

I hate plagiarists and Nazis, you did know his hero (whose way of speech he emulates) was a member of German Nazi Party?

czgibson · **Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t -** 06-18-2007

Greetings,

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Originally Posted by NoName55

I hate plagiarists and Nazis, you did know his hero (whose way of speech he emulates) was a member of German Nazi Party?

You mean Heidegger? Yes, he was a member of the Nazi party - fairly high up too. That doesn't have any bearing on his philosophy, though - at least from my point of view. Are you familiar with Heidegger's philosophy?

Hating people generally isn't a good thing, by the way.

Peace

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amani * Status: Offline Posts: 9,006 Reputation: 48098** Rep Power: 99 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t - 06-18-2007 actually i agree with most points just not points 5 and 7. dont know where point 6 is. sometimes ive felt that muslim countries are so striving to follow the west but in what ways? they are leaving out the main important ways like anti racism etc which is infact from Islam. who was the article written by? __________________ Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar

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Keltoi IB Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 5,376 Reputation: 9219 Rep Power: 38 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oklahoma, USA Gender: Way of Life: Christian	Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t - 06-18-2007 Too bad the article is gone, I have no idea what this discussion is about. * now I do Seems very sensible to me. I'm sort of perplexed why some are so outraged by it. __________________ "Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is." Last edited by Keltoi; 06-18-2007 at 02:05 PM..

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czgibson Human Agent Status: Offline Posts: 2,841 Reputation: 11943 Rep Power: 44 Join Date: Jul 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Atheist	Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t - 06-18-2007 Greetings, Here's a link to the article, so we know what we're talking about: http://jidal.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/protest/ Perhaps those who object to it would like to explain their views. Peace

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doorster Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 1,500 Reputation: 21041 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t - 06-18-2007 if the new admin was not busy being a buisnessman, he would read up on Farouk A. Peru and Lina joy a friend of Farouk A. Peru

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NoName55 Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 2,701 Reputation: 14644 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Jan 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t - 06-18-2007 Don't you people first read about the people you copy paste from? Don't you first like to find out who they and their friends are?

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NoName55 Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 2,701 Reputation: 14644 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Jan 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t - 06-18-2007 Being Farouk A. Peru in the World "I am a human being in the world. This is the beginning of the matter and this is the end. As a human being, I am in the world a certain way. I seek pleasure, avoid pain and seek everlasting existence. This is my existentialisation. In order to fulfil my existentialisation, I must seek my essence and what I consider to be the essence of humanity itself. Therefore I must essentialise. This blog is about existentialisation and essentialisation : my being in the world" Last edited by NoName55; 06-18-2007 at 02:39 PM..

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NoName55 Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 2,701 Reputation: 14644 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Jan 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: What Muslims should protest against … but don’t - 06-18-2007 I hate plagiarists and Nazis, you did know his hero (whose way of speech he emulates) was a member of German Nazi Party? Last edited by NoName55; 06-18-2007 at 03:17 PM..