Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,


You mean Heidegger? Yes, he was a member of the Nazi party - fairly high up too. That doesn't have any bearing on his philosophy, though - at least from my point of view. Are you familiar with Heidegger's philosophy?

Hating people generally isn't a good thing, by the way.

Peace

He also needs to remember that any German who refused to join the Nazis would face severe consequences.

i find this all to be very sad. i have been hesitant to respond to the article because sometimes i think kaffir approval is taken as confirmation that something is Bad.
to me all the article is talking about is that muslims should examine their priorities and there are real problems that should be addressed.
i can see problems with #4 - and actually it would be hard to get enthusiatic about this one as a priority. however, it would be politically useful because there is a very ugly backlash brewing in europe and the more muslims could do to defuse it, without sacrificing the values of islam - the better it would be for the future of european muslims.
#5 is also a problem - mainly because it is inaccurate.
the other things seem to me to be very connected to what i understand as islamic values.
how can it be unislamic to address poverty, honour killings, terrorism, (which i realize is controversial), child labour? you can't be muslim and care about these things?
if it is, then i have really gotten the wrong picture of islam in my head. i thought islam cared about life and justice.
there are those who are interested in manipulating muslims for their own purposes - and they are not all non-muslim.
i really don't understand.....and am very puzzled and find it quite disturbing.

how can it be unislamic to address poverty, honour killings, terrorism, (which i realize is controversial), child labour? you can't be muslim and care about these things?

I'll just give a hint or attempt at addressing one to start with.

child labour:
next time you go out jogging in your £300 Nike kit, think who made it, how they made it and what the maker's share was out of that £300

wasalam

Got in after the edit. What are we discussing?

Got in after the edit. What are we discussing?

oh just the usual. like how to blame Muslims for everything. how to help them turn into lina joys, how to keep them busy while the get robbed and slaughtered.

Originally Posted by NoName55

I'll just give a hint or attempt at addressing one to start with.

child labour:
next time you go out jogging in your £300 Nike kit, think who made it, how they made it and what the maker's share was out of that £300

wasalam

actually i don't have or want such a thing. but your point is valid. most of the products we buy here are made in china by prison or other type of slave labour. i boycott walmart, but there is no way to avoid buying goods made by slave or child labour.
my point was, how can you say that some of the things he mentioned are not in keeping with islamic values? i can't tell muslims what their priorities should be, but what is wrong with this:

It is not too late to get Muslim values straight. The source is ready to be looked into, the Quran. All a person has to do is engage with it and acquire its values and his priorities will be straight once again.

do i totally misunderstand islamic values? the writer may be some kind of Bad Guy - i know nothing about him, but isn't there any truth in what he writes?

put it another way, would anyone want Bush family going on a lecture tour across the State extolling virtues of Democracy, while stealing the election?

no matter what the ingrdients of a dish are if it was prepared in a sewer by a rat, I'm not putting it on my table

In other words, if you changed the name on the article and pasted it on another website known to be more....whatever...most probably wouldn't have a problem with much of it at all.

The 15000 palastinians that have died in the battles with Israel, are something that muslims from all nations will denounce , burn flags for , and indeed travel thousands of miles to blow themselves and half a dozen jewish kids to bits for.

Fifteen thousand is a massive number. OK, so the majority were carrying guns and petrol bombs and concerete blocks etc, but a lot of innocents also died in the crossfire. It's right that the muslims accross the world should go ballistic over it in protest.

But when Muslims kill 600,000 in 4 years, not 20 years, 4 years.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=39201

Where is the Ummah then?
Its 30 times worse. Why only 1% if that, of the protest?

Originally Posted by Keltoi

In other words, if you changed the name on the article and pasted it on another website known to be more....whatever...most probably wouldn't have a problem with much of it at all.

yes, more or less... you got it. after removing the subliminal lies mixed in with truth.

atlast some one with commonsense

Also in response to my own post, cos i like talking to myself (worrying really ), Saddam Hussain killed 300,000 of his people in 1992-2003.

Thats pretty intensive going, beating the 80,000 the "heroic freedom fighters" have slaughtered since 2003 and even the 3000 innocent dead from US stray bombs aimed at the "Heroic freedom fighters" whilst attempting to protect muslims.

Now probably several trillion words (literally) have been written in incandecent anger against those 3000 dead, but does the 80,000 that the anti-iraqi "heroic freedom fighters" get a condemnation? Nope.

Mayby the 3 million that Saddam killed in his 35 years? I'm sure I can recall a few mumbled words from the ummar? Nope.

Nahh, forget the 3 million, something much more worthwhile remembering and constantly quoting and protesting about is the Crusades of 600 years ago.

Cos thats whats important, right?

Sod the Massive ongoing butchery in Sudan , somalia and a dozen other Islamic nations. The stray shots of the 18yr old US Grunts is the thing to drive the ummah into action.

so - to those muslims who were offended:
it is more because of the writer than the content?
would you say not all the content is objectionable - say, the spirit of the article is accceptable?
would you agree that it may be time to look at priorities?
and, noname55 - i see your point - i couldn't put any credibility in anything bush said -though if he said fish live in water, i couldn't deny that.
a non-muslim, while he has opinions, certainly can't tell muslims what their priorities should be.
but i saw almost nothing in the articel that could be construed as unislamic in values.

And to continue my rant at myself.

How come every muslim and their pet cat protested at the Mohammd cartoons but diddnt raise a word when "life of Brian" by monty python mocked Isa?
Or how come they dont burn down a French Embassy for allowing the putting of Cartoons of God (the same god as allah yeah?) pictured on a cloud throwing thunderbolts around.

Basically, double-standards.

how long this consultation between mods take to move against some one so persistant as this one?

a week, month, a year?

and when I post something they don't like threads get locked quicker than I can refresh the page sometimes.

I am going to do an experiment to see who gets banned first me or these retarded trolls

Originally Posted by NoName55

how long this consultation between mods take to move against some one so persistant as this one?

a week, month, a year?

and when I post something they don't like threads get locked quicker than I can refresh the page sometimes.

I am going to do an experiment to see who gets banned first me or these retarded trolls

Hey! I just keep thinking of new stuff!

Anyway, I'd much rather someone try to address the point than dive in with the Trollage label.
Do you beleive that the ummah is as unified on Sudan as it is on the palastinian issue?
Does it ...umm...did it, condem Saddam like it condem's US mistakes?