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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
    I hate to meddle in the discussion but I would love to hear your logical explanation of why homosexuality is wrong.
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    It isn't in conformity with the 'norm' what is decreed by religion or 'Nature' if we were strict naturalists.

    in fact up to the 1970's this was classified in the DSM-II as an act of deviance. And it really is no different than other deviant and 'abnormal' sexual acts. I won't get into the trail of other problems that concern homosexuals exclusively (for instance their highest rate of anal cancer) or kaposi's sarcoma etc. but strictly from a religious/ or naturalistic point of view, it is actually worthless to be homosexual. If we are to ignore religion and think of what good homosexuality brings, it brings nothing.. futile cycles aren't inspired by 'nature' but by a sick psychology, and that is in fact what it is-- a psychological rather than a biological aberrancy!
    I can't believe we are even discussing this like it is normal status quo!

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    Default Re: Is it possible to Prove the Qu'ran is the very Words of God?


    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    It isn't in conformity with the 'norm' what is decreed by religion or 'Nature' if we were strict naturalists.

    in fact up to the 1970's this was classified in the DSM-II as an act of deviance. And it really is no different than other deviant and 'abnormal' sexual acts. I won't get into the trail of other problems that concern homosexuals exclusively (for instance their highest rate of anal cancer) or kaposi's sarcoma etc. but strictly from a religious/ or naturalistic point of view, it is actually worthless to be homosexual. If we are to ignore religion and think of what good homosexuality brings, it brings nothing.. futile cycles aren't inspired by 'nature' but by a sick psychology, and that is in fact what it is-- a psychological rather than a biological aberrancy!
    I can't believe we are even discussing this like it is normal status quo!

    all the best
    Just because something is not natural does not imply that is wrong. No one would hold such a weak ethical theory! Even if it is an abnormal sexuality it still doesn't follow that it is wrong. And there are many homosexual couples that don't suffer from any medical problems...but irresponsible sex is bad in both hetero/homosexual couples. As for not bringing any good..well I am sure homosexuals find some good in being able to be with the people they love/attracted to. So yes, there is a good.

    Ethical judgments are inherently contractual between people. That is why labeling things like homosexuality that don't violate any social contract is going to be extraordinarily difficult.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to Prove the Qu'ran is the very Words of God?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
    Just because something is not natural does not imply that is wrong.
    Says who?
    No one would hold such a weak ethical theory!
    Many in fact do!

    Even if it is an abnormal sexuality it still doesn't follow that it is wrong.
    And you are yet to prove why it isn't wrong!
    and give us the definition of wrong while working on your logic!

    And there are many homosexual couples that don't suffer from any medical problems
    There are many people with many psychological conditions, like bestiality who also don't suffer any medical problems, it doesn't make it anymore OK!

    ...but irresponsible sex is bad in both hetero/homosexual couples.
    It has nothing to do with the term 'irresponsible'
    does committing a perfect crime and being responsibly careful, make it OK?

    As for not bringing any good..well I am sure homosexuals find some good in being able to be with the people they love/attracted to. So yes, there is a good.
    That makes no sense whatsoever.. those who practice bestiality for instance bring pleasure to themselves and to the animals they fondle, pleasure and hedonism doesn't equal to goodness!

    Ethical judgments are inherently contractual between people. That is why labeling things like homosexuality that don't violate any social contract is going to be extraordinarily difficult.
    It violates many social and moral contracts.
    It isn't a union that is recognized by God and from the lowest common denominator sex outside of marriage is a sin!

    all the best!




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    Certainly 'health reasons' aren't the conly factors contributing to the social and moral significance of the negative consequences of homosexuality. They certainly need to be mentioned!

    THE FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL June 27, 2005
    www.frc.org
    The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality
    by: Timothy J. Dailey, Ph. D.
    Homosexual activists attempt to portray their lifestyle as normal and
    healthy, and insist that homosexual relationships are the equivalent in
    every way to their heterosexual counterparts. Hollywood and the media
    relentlessly propagate the image of the fit, healthy, and well-adjusted
    homosexual. The reality is quite opposite to this caricature which was
    recently conceded by the homosexual newspaper New York Blade News:
    Reports at a national conference about sexually transmitted diseases
    indicate that gay men are in the highest risk group for several of the most
    serious diseases. . . . Scientists believe that the increased number of
    sexually transmitted diseases (STD) cases is the result of an increase in
    risky sexual practices by a growing number of gay men who believe HIV is
    no longer a life-threatening illness.[1]
    Instability and promiscuity typically characterize homosexual relationships.
    These two factors increase the incidence of serious and incurable STDs. In
    addition, some homosexual behaviors put practitioners at higher risk for a
    variety of ailments, as catalogued by the following research data:
    Risky Sexual Behavior on the Rise Among Homosexuals. Despite two
    decades of intensive efforts to educate homosexuals against the dangers of
    acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) and other STDs, the incidence
    of unsafe sexual practices that often result in various diseases is on the
    rise.
    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC),
    from 1994 to 1997 the proportion of homosexuals reporting having had
    anal sex increased from 57.6 percent to 61.2 percent, while the
    percentage of those reporting "always" using condoms declined from
    69.6 percent to 60 percent.[2]
    The CDC reported that during the same period the proportion of men
    reporting having multiple sex partners and unprotected anal sex
    increased from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent. The largest increase in this
    category (from 22 percent to 33.3 percent) was reported by homosexuals
    twenty-five years old or younger.[3]
    Homosexuals Failing to Disclose Their HIV Status to Sex Partners
    A study presented July 13, 2000 at the XIII International aids
    Conference in Durban, South Africa disclosed that a significant number of
    homosexual and bisexual men with HIV "continue to engage in
    unprotected sex with people who have no idea they could be contracting
    HIV."[4] Researchers from the University of California, San Francisco
    found that thirty-six percent of homosexuals engaging in unprotected
    oral, anal, or vaginal sex failed to disclose that they were HIV positive to
    casual sex partners.[5]
    A CDC report revealed that, in 1997, 45 percent of homosexuals
    reporting having had unprotected anal intercourse during the previous
    six months did not know the HIV serostatus of all their sex partners.
    Even more alarming, among those who reported having had unprotected
    anal intercourse and multiple partners, 68 percent did not know the HIV
    serostatus of their partners.[6]
    Young Homosexuals are at Increased Risk. Following in the footsteps of the
    generation of homosexuals decimated by AIDS, younger homosexuals are
    engaging in dangerous sexual practices at an alarming rate.
    A Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health study of threehundred-
    sixty-one young men who have sex with men (MSM) aged
    fifteen to twenty-two found that around 40 percent of participants
    reported having had anal-insertive sex, and around 30 percent said they
    had had anal-receptive sex. Thirty-seven percent said they had not used
    a condom for anal sex during their last same-sex encounter. Twenty-one
    percent of the respondents reported using drugs or alcohol during their
    last same-sex encounter.[7]
    A five-year CDC study of 3,492 homosexual males aged fifteen to
    twenty-two found that one-quarter had unprotected sex with both men
    and women. Another CDC study of 1,942 homosexual and bisexual men
    with HIV found that 19 percent had at least one episode of unprotected
    anal sex--the riskiest sexual behavior--in 1998 and 1997, a 50 percent
    increase from the previous two years.[8]
    Homosexual Promiscuity. Studies indicate that the average male
    homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:
    A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female
    homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex
    with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex
    partners.[9]
    In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals
    published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that
    only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most
    common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of
    having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.[10]
    A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24
    percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred
    sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several
    respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than
    a thousand sexual partners.[11]
    In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and
    Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual
    relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting
    hundreds of lifetime partners."[12]
    Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples. Even in those homosexual
    relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a
    committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" typically means
    something radically different from marriage.
    In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M.
    Mattison reported that in a study of a hundred-fifty-six males in
    homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years,
    Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these
    men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all
    couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated
    some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.[13]
    In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that
    the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and
    three years.[14]
    Unhealthy Aspects of "Monogamous" Homosexual Relationships. Even those
    homosexual relationships that are loosely termed "monogamous" do not
    necessarily result in healthier behavior.
    The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged
    in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse with greater frequency than
    those without a steady partner.[15] Anal intercourse has been linked to a
    host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including
    AIDS.
    The exclusivity of the relationship did not diminish the incidence of
    unhealthy sexual acts, which are commonplace among homosexuals. An
    English study published in the same issue of the journal AIDS concurred,
    finding that most "unsafe" sex acts among homosexuals occur in steady
    relationships.[16]
    Human Papillomavirus (HPV). HPV is a collection of more than seventy
    types of viruses that can cause warts, or papillomas, on various parts of the
    body. More than twenty types of HPV are incurable STDs that can infect the
    genital tract of both men and women. Most HPV infections are subclinical or
    asymptomatic, with only one in a hundred people experiencing genital
    warts.
    HPV is "almost universal" among homosexuals. According to the
    homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade: "A San Francisco study of
    Gay and bisexual men revealed that HPV infection was almost universal
    among HIV-positive men, and that 60 percent of HIV-negative men
    carried HPV."[17]
    HPV can lead to anal cancer. At the recent Fourth International AIDS
    Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Andrew
    Grulich announced that "most instances of anal cancer are caused by a
    cancer-causing strain of HPV through receptive anal intercourse. HPV
    infects over 90 percent of HIV-positive gay men and 65 percent of HIVnegative
    gay men, according to a number of recent studies."[18]
    The link between HPV and cervical cancer. Citing a presentation by Dr.
    Stephen Goldstone to the International Congress on Papillomavirus in
    Human Pathology in Paris, the Washington Blade reports that "HPV is
    believed to cause cervical cancer in women."[19]
    Hepatitis: A potentially fatal liver disease that increases the risk of liver
    cancer.
    Hepatitis A: The Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report published by
    the CDC reports: "Outbreaks of hepatitis A among men who have sex with
    men are a recurring problem in many large cities in the industrialized
    world."[20]
    Hepatitis B: This is a serious disease caused by a virus that attacks the
    liver. The virus, which is called hepatitis B virus (HBV), can cause lifelong
    infection, cirrhosis (scarring) of the liver, liver cancer, liver failure, and
    death. Each year in the United States, more than 200,000 people of all
    ages contract hepatitis B and close to 5,000 die of sickness caused by
    AIDS. The CDC reports that MSM are at increased risk for hepatitis B.[21]
    Hepatitis C is an inflammation of the liver that can cause cirrhosis, liver
    failure and liver cancer. The virus can lie dormant in the body for up to
    thirty years before flaring up. Although less so than with hepatitis A and
    B, MSM who engage in unsafe sexual practices remain at increased risk
    for contracting hepatitis C.[22]
    Gonorrhea: An inflammatory disease of the genital tract. Gonorrhea
    traditionally occurs on the genitals, but has recently appeared in the rectal
    region and in the throat. Although easily treated by antibiotics, according to
    the CDC only "about 50 percent of men have some signs or symptoms, and
    "many women who are infected have no symptoms of infection."[23]
    Untreated gonorrhea can have serious and permanent health consequences,
    including infertility damage to the prostate and urethra.
    A CDC report documents "significant increases during 1994 to 1997 in
    rectal gonorrhea . . . among MSM," indicating that "safe sex" practices
    may not be taken as seriously as the aids epidemic begins to slow.[24] In
    1999 the CDC released data showing that male rectal gonorrhea is
    increasing among homosexuals amidst an overall decline in national
    gonorrhea rates. The report attributed the increase to a larger
    percentage of homosexuals engaging in unsafe sexual behavior.[25]
    The incidence of throat Gonorrhea is strongly associated with
    homosexual behavior. The Canadian Medical Association Journal found
    that "gonorrhea was associated with urethral discharge . . . and
    homosexuality (3.7 times higher than the rate among
    heterosexuals)."[26] Similarly, a study in the Journal of Clinical Pathology
    found that homosexual men had a much higher prevalence of pharyngeal
    (throat) gonorrhea--15.2 percent compared with 4.1 percent for
    heterosexual men.[27]
    Syphilis: A venereal disease that, if left untreated, can spread throughout
    the body over time, causing serious heart abnormalities, mental disorders,
    blindness, and death. The initial symptoms of syphilis are often mild and
    painless, leading some individuals to avoid seeking treatment. According to
    the National Institutes of Health, the disease may be mistaken for other
    common illnesses: "syphilis has sometimes been called 'the great imitator'
    because its early symptoms are similar to those of many other diseases."
    Early symptoms include rashes, moist warts in the groin area, slimy white
    patches in the mouth, or pus-filled bumps resembling chicken pox.[28]
    According to the CDC, "transmission of the organism occurs during
    vaginal, anal, or oral sex."[29] In addition, the Archives of Internal
    Medicine found that homosexuals acquired syphilis at a rate ten times
    that of heterosexuals.[30]
    The CDC reports that those who contract syphilis face potentially deadly
    health consequences: "It is now known that the genital sores caused by
    syphilis in adults also make it easier to transmit and acquire HIV
    infection sexually. There is a two to five fold increased risk of acquiring
    hiv infection when syphilis is present."[31]
    Gay Bowel Syndrome (GBS):[32] The Journal of the American Medical
    Association refers to GBS problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and
    enteritis as "sexually transmitted gastrointestinal syndromes."[33] Many of
    the bacterial and protozoa pathogens that cause GBS are found in feces and
    transmitted to the digestive system: According to the pro-homosexual text
    Anal Pleasure and Health, "[s]exual activities provide many opportunities
    for tiny amounts of contaminated feces to find their way into the mouth of a
    sexual partner . . . The most direct route is oral-anal contact."[34]
    Proctitis and Proctocolitis are inflammations of the rectum and colon
    that cause pain, bloody rectal discharge and rectal spasms. Proctitis is
    associated with STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis
    that are widespread among homosexuals.[35] The Sexually Transmitted
    Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical
    Association reports that "[p]roctitis occurs predominantly among persons
    who participate in anal intercourse."
    Enteritis is inflammation of the small intestine. According to the
    Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the
    American Medical Association, "enteritis occurs among those whose
    sexual practices include oral-fecal contact."[36] Enteritis can cause
    abdominal pain, severe cramping, intense diarrhea, fever, malabsorption
    of nutrients, weight loss.[37] According to a report in The Health
    Implications of Homosexuality by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health,
    some pathogens associated with enteritis and proctocolitis [see below]
    "appear only to be sexually transmitted among men who have sex with
    men."[38]
    HIV/AIDS Among Homosexuals. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)
    is responsible for causing AIDS, for which there exists no cure.
    Homosexual men are the largest risk category. The CDC reports that
    homosexuals comprise the single largest exposure category of the more
    than 600,000 males with AIDS in the United States. As of December
    1999, "men who have sex with men" and "men who have sex with men
    and inject drugs" together accounted for 64 percent of the cumulative
    total of male AIDS cases.[39]
    Women risk contracting HIV/AIDS through sexual relations with
    infected MSM. According to the CDC, "HIV infection among U.S. women
    has increased significantly over the last decade, especially in
    communities of color. cdc estimates that, in the United States, between
    120,000 and 160,000 adult and adolescent females are living with HIV
    infection, including those with AIDS." In 1999, for example, most of the
    women (40 percent) reported with AIDS were infected through
    heterosexual exposure to HIV.[40] That number is actually higher, as
    "historically, more than two-thirds of AIDS cases among women initially
    reported without identified risk were later reclassified as heterosexual
    transmission."[41]
    Homosexuals with HIV are at increased risk for developing other lifethreatening
    diseases. A paper delivered at the Fourth International AIDS
    Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health reported that
    homosexual men with HIV have "a 37-fold increase in anal cancer, a 4-
    fold increase in Hodgkin's disease (cancer of the lymph nodes), a 2.7-fold
    increase in cancer of the testicles, and a 2.5 fold increase in lip
    cancer."[42]
    HIV/AIDS Among Young People
    AIDS incidence is on the rise among teens and young adults. The CDC
    reports that, "even though AIDS incidence (the number of new cases
    diagnosed during a given time period, usually a year) is declining, there
    has not been a comparable decline in the number of newly diagnosed HIV
    cases among youth.[43]
    Young homosexual men are at particular risk. The CDC estimates that
    "at least half of all new HIV infections in the United States are among
    people under twenty-five, and the majority of young people are infected
    sexually."[44] By the end of 1999, 29,629 young people aged thirteen to
    twenty-four were diagnosed with AIDS in the United States. MSM were
    the single largest risk category: in 1999, for example, 50 percent of all
    new AIDS cases were reported among young homosexuals.[45]
    Sexually active young women are also at risk. The CDC reports: "In
    1999, among young women the same age, 47 percent of all AIDS cases
    reported were acquired heterosexually and 11 percent were acquired
    through injection drug use."
    Homosexuals with STDs Are at an Increased Risk for HIV Infection. Studies
    of MSM treated in STD clinics show rates of infection as high as 36 percent
    in major cities.[46] A CDC study attributed the high infection rate to having
    high numbers of anonymous sex partners: "[S]yphilis, gonorrhea, and
    chlamydia apparently have been introduced into a population of MSM who
    have large numbers of anonymous partners, which can result in rapid and
    extensive transmission of STDs."[47] The CDC report concluded: "Persons
    with STDs, including genital ulcer disease and nonulcerative STD, have a
    twofold to fivefold increased risk for HIV infection."[48]
    Anal Cancer: Homosexuals are at increased risk for this rare type of cancer,
    which is potentially fatal if the anal-rectal tumors metastasize to other
    bodily organs.
    Dr. Joel Palefsky, a leading expert in the field of anal cancer, reports
    that while the incidence of anal cancer in the United States is only
    0.9/100,000, that number soars to 35/100,000 for homosexuals. That
    rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive, which, according to
    Dr. Palefsky, is "roughly ten times higher than the current rate of cervical
    cancer."[49]
    At the Fourth International AIDS Malignancy Conference at the National
    Institutes of Health in May, 2000, Dr. Andrew Grulich announced that the
    incidence of anal cancer among homosexuals with HIV "was raised 37-
    fold compared with the general population."[50]
    Lesbians are at Risk through Sex with MSM
    Many Lesbians also have had sex with men. The homosexual newspaper
    The Washington Blade, citing a 1998 study in the Journal of Infectious
    Diseases, reported that "the study's data confirmed previous scientific
    observations that most women who have sex with women also have had
    sex with men."[51] The study added that "sex with men in the prior year
    was common, as were sexual practices between female partners that
    possibly could transmit HPV."[52]
    Lesbians have more male sex partners that their heterosexual
    counterparts. A study of sexually transmitted disease among lesbians
    reviewed in The Washington Blade notes: "Behavioral research also
    demonstrates that a woman's sexual identity is not an accurate predictor
    of behavior, with a large proportion of 'lesbian' women reporting sex
    with (often high risk) men."[53] The study found that "the median
    number of lifetime male sexual partners was significantly greater for
    WSW (women who have sex with women) than controls (twelve partners
    versus six). WSW were significantly more likely to report more than fifty
    lifetime male sexual partners."[54]
    A study in the American Journal of Public Health concurs that bisexual
    women are at increased risk for contracting sexually transmitted
    diseases: "Our findings corroborate the finding that wsmw (women who
    have sex with men and women) are more likely than WSMO (women who
    have sex with men only) to engage in various high-risk behaviors" and
    also "to engage in a greater number of risk-related behaviors."[55] The
    study suggested that the willingness to engage in risky sexual practices
    "could be tied to a pattern of sensation-seeking behavior."[56]
    MSM spread HIV to women. A five-year study by the CDC of 3,492
    homosexuals aged fifteen to twenty-two found that one in six also had
    sex with women. Of those having sex with women, one-quarter "said
    they recently had unprotected sex with both men and women." Nearly 7
    percent of the men in the study were HIV positive."[57] "The study
    confirms that young bisexual men are a 'bridge' for HIV transmission to
    women," said the CDC.[58]
    "Exclusive" Lesbian Relationships Also at Risk. The assumption that lesbians
    involved in exclusive sexual relationships are at reduced risk for sexual
    disease is false. The journal Sexually Transmitted Infections concludes:
    "The risk behavior profile of exclusive WSW was similar to all WSW."[59]
    One reason for this is because lesbians "were significantly more likely to
    report past sexual contact with a homosexual or bisexual man and sexual
    contact with an IDU (intravenous drug user)."[60]
    Cancer Risk Factors for Lesbians. Citing a 1999 report released by the
    Institute of Medicine, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences, the
    homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade notes that "various studies
    on Lesbian health suggest that certain cancer risk factors occur with greater
    frequency in this population. These factors include higher rates of smoking,
    alcohol use, poor diet, and being overweight."[61] Elsewhere the Blade also
    reports: "Some experts believe Lesbians might be more likely than women
    in general to develop breast or cervical cancer because a disproportionate
    number of them fall into high-risk categories."[62]
    Sexually Transmitted Diseases Among Lesbians
    In a study of the medical records of 1,408 lesbians, the journal Sexually
    Transmitted Infections found that women who have sexual relations with
    womenare at significantly higher risk for certain sexually transmitted
    diseases: "We demonstrated a higher prevalence of BV (bacterial
    vaginosis), hepatitis C, and HIV risk behaviors in WSW as compared with
    controls."[63]
    Compulsive Behavior among Lesbians. A study published in Nursing
    Research found that lesbians are three times more likely to abuse alcohol
    and to suffer from other compulsive behaviors: "Like most problem
    drinkers, 32 (91 percent) of the participants had abused other drugs as well
    as alcohol, and many reported compulsive difficulties with food (34
    percent), codependency (29 percent), sex (11 percent), and money (6
    percent)." In addition, "Forty-six percent had been heavy drinkers with
    frequent drunkenness."[64]
    Alcohol Abuse Among Homosexuals and Lesbians
    The Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychologists reports that lesbian
    women consume alcohol more frequently, and in larger amounts, than
    heterosexual women.[65] Lesbians were at significantly greater risk than
    heterosexual women for both binge drinking (19.4 percent compared to
    11.7 percent), and for heavy drinking (7 percent compared to 2.7
    percent).[66]
    Although the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychologists article
    found no significant connection between male homosexuals and alcohol
    abuse, a study in Family Planning Perspective concluded that male
    homosexuals were at greatly increased risk for alcoholism: "Among men,
    by far the most important risk group consisted of homosexual and
    bisexual men, who were more than nine times as likely as heterosexual
    men to have a history of problem drinking."[67] The study noted that
    problem drinking may contribute to the "significantly higher STD rates
    among gay and bisexual men."[68]
    Violence in Lesbian and Homosexual Relationships.
    A study in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence examined conflict and
    violence in lesbian relationships. The researchers found that 90 percent
    of the lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of
    verbal aggression from their intimate partners during the year prior to
    this study, with 31 percent reporting one or more incidents of physical
    abuse.[69]
    In a survey of 1,099 lesbians, the Journal of Social Service Research
    found that "slightly more than half of the [lesbians] reported that they
    had been abused by a female lover/partner. The most frequently
    indicated forms of abuse were verbal/emotional/psychological abuse and
    combined physical-psychological abuse."[70]
    In their book Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay
    Men and Domestic Violence,D. Island and P. Letellier report that "the
    incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
    the heterosexual population."[71]
    Compare the Low Rate of Intimate Partner Violence within Marriage.
    Homosexual and lesbian relationships are far more violent than are
    traditional married households:
    The Bureau of Justice Statistics (U.S. Department of Justice) reports
    that married women in traditional families experience the lowest rate of
    violence compared with women in other types of relationships.[72]
    A report by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health concurred,
    It should be noted that most studies of family violence do not differentiate
    between married and unmarried partner status. Studies that do make these
    distinctions have found that marriage relationships tend to have the least
    intimate partner violence when compared to cohabiting or dating
    relationships.[73]
    High Incidence of Mental Health Problems among Homosexuals and
    Lesbians. A national survey of lesbians published in the Journal of
    Consulting and Clinical Psychology found that 75 percent of the nearly 2,000
    respondents had pursued psychological counseling of some kind, many for
    treatment of long-term depression or sadness:
    Among the sample as a whole, there was a distressingly high prevalence of
    life events and behaviors related to mental health problems. Thirty-seven
    percent had been physically abused and 32 percent had been raped or
    sexually attacked. Nineteen percent had been involved in incestuous
    relationships while growing up. Almost one-third used tobacco on a daily
    basis and about 30 percent drank alcohol more than once a week; 6 percent
    drank daily. One in five smoked marijuana more than once a month.
    Twenty-one percent of the sample had thoughts about suicide sometimes or
    often and 18 percent had actually tried to kill themselves. . . . More than
    half had felt too nervous to accomplish ordinary activities at some time
    during the past year and over one-third had been depressed.[74]
    Greater Risk for Suicide.
    A study of twins that examined the relationship between homosexuality
    and suicide, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry, found that
    homosexuals with same-sex partners were at greater risk for overall
    mental health problems, and were 6.5 times more likely than their twins
    to have attempted suicide. The higher rate was not attributable to mental
    health or substance abuse disorders.[75]
    Another study published simultaneously in Archives of General
    Psychiatry followed 1,007 individuals from birth. Those classified as
    "gay," lesbian, or bisexual were significantly more likely to have had
    mental health problems.[76] Significantly, in his comments on the studies
    in the same issue of the journal, D. Bailey cautioned against various
    speculative explanations of the results, such as the view that
    "widespread prejudice against homosexual people causes them to be
    unhappy or worse, mentally ill."[77]
    Reduced Life Span. A study published in the International Journal of
    Epidemiology on the mortality rates of homosexuals concluded that they
    have a significantly reduced life expectancy:
    In a major Canadian center, life expectancy at age twenty for gay and
    bisexual men is eight to twenty years less than for all men. If the same
    pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay
    and bisexual men currently aged twenty years will not reach their sixtyfifth
    birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual
    men in this urban center are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to
    that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.[78]
    In 1995, long after the deadly effects of AIDS and other STDs became
    widely known, homosexual author Urvashi Vaid expressed one of the goals
    of her fellow activists: "We have an agenda to create a society in which
    homosexuality is regarded as healthy, natural, and normal. To me that is the
    most important agenda item."[79] Debilitating illness, chronic disease,
    psychological problems, and early death suffered by homosexuals is the
    legacy of this tragically misguided activism, which puts the furthering of an
    "agenda" above saving the lives of those whose interests they purport to
    represent.
    Those who advocate full acceptance of homosexual behavior choose to
    downplay the growing and incontrovertible evidence regarding the serious,
    life-threatening health effects associated with the homosexual lifestyle.
    Homosexual advocacy groups have a moral duty to disseminate medical
    information that might dissuade individuals from entering or continuing in
    an inherently unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle. Education officials in
    particular have a duty to provide information regarding the negative health
    effects of homosexuality to students in their charge, whose very lives are
    put at risk by engaging in such behavior. Above all, civil society itself has an
    obligation to institute policies that promote the health and well-being of its
    citizens. --
    END NOTES
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    Develop (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, 1984), pp. 252, 3.
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    18. Richard A. Zmuda, "Rising Rates of Anal Cancer for Gay Men," Cancer News
    (August 17, 2000). Available at: cancerlinksusa.com/cancernews_sm/Aug2000
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    Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)September 29, 2000. Available
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    26. J. Vincelette et al., "Predicators of Chlamydial Infection and Gonorrhea among
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    27. SPR Jebakumar et al., "Value of Screeningfor Oropharyngeal Chlamydia
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    for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at:
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    29. "Syphilis Elimination: History in the Making," Division of Sexually Transmitted
    Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at:
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    30. C. M. Hutchinson et al., "Characteristics of Patients with Syphilis Attending
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    31. "Syphilis Elimination."
    32. Homosexual advocates object to the use of this term (Gay Bowel Syndrome),
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    Associated with Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health,
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    33. "STD Treatment Guidelines: Proctitis, Proctocolitis, and Enteritis," (Centers for
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    /treatmnt/guide/stdg3470.htm.
    34. Jack Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health: A Guide for Men and Women (San Francisco:
    Down There Press, 1998), p. 220.
    35. Health Implications, p. 56.
    36. "STD Treatment Guidelines."
    37. Health Implications; See Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health, p. 220, 1.
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    39. "Table 9. Male Adult/Adolescent AIDS Cases by Exposure Category and
    Race/Ethnicity, Reported through December 1999, United States," Centers for Disease
    Control and Prevention: Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention: available at:
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    Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000.
    Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/women.
    41. Ibid.
    42. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer."
    43. "Young People at Risk: HIV/AIDS among America's Youth," Divisions of HIV/AIDS
    Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at:
    www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/youth.htm.
    44. Ibid.
    45. Ibid.
    46. "Need for Sustained HIV Prevention Among Men who Have Sex with Men,"
    Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000.
    Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/msm.
    47. "Resurgent Bacterial Sexually Transmitted Disease among Men Who Have Sex with
    Men--King County, Washington, 1997-1999," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report:
    Centers for Disease Control, September 10, 1999, pp. 773-777. Available at:
    www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ mm4835a1.
    48. "Need for Sustained HIV Prevention."
    49. Bob Roehr, "Anal Cancer and You," Between the Lines News (November 16, 2000).
    Available at: http://www.pridesource.com/cgi-bin/a...rticle=3835560.
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    51. Rhonda Smith, "HPV Can be Transmitted between Women," The Washington Blade
    (December 4, 1998). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/9901011h.
    52. Ibid.
    53. Katherine Fethers et al., "Sexually Transmitted Infections and Risk Behaviors in
    Women Who Have Sex with Women," Sexually Transmitted Infections 76 (2000):348.
    54. Ibid., p. 347.
    55. V. Gonzales, et al., "Sexual and Drug-Use Risk Factors for hiv and STDs: A
    Comparison of Women with and without Bisexual Experiences," American Journal of
    Public Health 89 (December 1999): 1846.
    56. Ibid.
    57. "Bisexuals Serve as 'Bridge' Infecting Women with HIV," Reuters News Service
    (July 30, 2000).
    58. Ibid.
    59. "Sexually Transmitted Infections," p. 347.
    60. Ibid.
    61. Rhonda Smith, "Childbirth Linked with Smaller Breast Tumor Size," The
    Washington Blade (December 17, 1999). Available at:
    www.washblade.com/health/000114lh.
    62. "HPV can be Transmitted between Women."
    63. Katherine Fethers et al., "Sexually Transmitted Infections and Risk Behaviors in
    Women Who Have Sex with Women," Sexually Transmitted Infections, July 2000, p.
    345.
    64. Joanne Hall, "Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic
    Study of Health Care Expectations," Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238-244.
    65. Peter Freiberg, "Study: Alcohol Use More Prevelent for Lesbians," The Washington
    Blade, January 12, 2001, p. 21.
    66. Ibid.
    67. Karen Paige Erickson, Karen F. Trocki, "Sex, Alcohol and Sexually Transmitted
    Diseases: A National Survey," Family Planning Perspectives 26 (December 1994): 261.
    68. Ibid.
    69. Lettie L. Lockhart et al., "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian
    Relationships," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (December 1994): 469-492.
    70. Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian
    Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of
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    71. D. Island and P. Letellier, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay
    Men and Domestic Violence (New York: Haworth Press, 1991), p. 14.
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    November 1994, p. 2.
    73. Health Implications, p. 79.
    74. J. Bradford, et al., "National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental
    Health Care," Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62 (1994): 239, cited in
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    56 (1999): 867-874.
    76. D. Fergusson, et al., "Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and
    Suicidality in Young People?" Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (October 1999), p.
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    77. Ibid.
    78. Robert S. Hogg et al., "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and
    Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657.
    79. Quoted in Gabriel Rotello, Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men (New
    York: Penguin Books, 1997), p. 286.

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    Skye:

    And you are yet to prove why it isn't wrong!
    and give us the definition of wrong while working on your logic!
    Lol. Are you kidding? Prove why it isn't wrong? Do you know what Shifting the Burden of Proof fallacy is? And you talk about logic, how ironic !

    http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-of-proof.html

    And yes I agree with your study; if you don't use condoms when having sex and if you don't tell your partner that you are HIV positive and then have sex with them...you're going to start health problems

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    Oh I forgot about the rest of your posts.

    There are many people with many psychological conditions, like bestiality who also don't suffer any medical problems, it doesn't make it anymore OK!
    Assumption: that bestiality is wrong. It's certainly disgusting. But I think the problem with bestiality is that it causes harm to the animal or at least it's an abuse of an animal. But anyway, you'd have to start a whole new thread on why bestiality is wrong. Good luck...and then show why it's similar to homosexuality.

    It has nothing to do with the term 'irresponsible'
    does committing a perfect crime and being responsibly careful, make it OK?
    Question-Begging Fallacy. I agree if a crime was committed perfectly then it is still a crime but we are arguing whether homosexuality is bad, so you can't assume it is bad as a premise in your argument !

    That makes no sense whatsoever.. those who practice bestiality for instance bring pleasure to themselves and to the animals they fondle, pleasure and hedonism doesn't equal to goodness!
    OH OKAY. I figured being able to marry/love the person you want was something of profound goodness. Maybe you can elaborate on what Good means?

    It violates many social and moral contracts.
    Such as?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
    Skye:



    Lol. Are you kidding? Prove why it isn't wrong? Do you know what Shifting the Burden of Proof fallacy is? And you talk about logic, how ironic !

    http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-of-proof.html

    And yes I agree with your study; if you don't use condoms when having sex and if you don't tell your partner that you are HIV positive and then have sex with them...you're going to start health problems

    I am not kidding at all, in fact, you are the one who claimed it is normal (sharing a minority vision and a minority act) leaves the burden of proof on you, whatever the case, I don't wish to spend my time on fallacies as it detracts away from the topic at hand which in and of itself has been discussed here ad nauseam.

    I have raised my objections in the two previous posts and believe that they suffice to elucidate my point of view.

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    I didn't claim it was normal. It's not normal. I simply asked you why homosexuality is wrong and your reasons are logical fallacies. There's nothing wrong with that though. Even the smartest ethicist would have trouble demonstrating why homosexuality is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
    I didn't claim it was normal. It's not normal. I simply asked you why homosexuality is wrong and your reasons are logical fallacies. There's nothing wrong with that though. Even the smartest ethicist would have trouble demonstrating why homosexuality is wrong.
    The inability of ethicists to define what is wrong and right, in ANY scenario, not only homosexuality, highlights the futile nature of subjective morality. There is no absolute standard for ethicists to to work on, compared to lets say scientists ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
    ..why homosexuality is wrong .
    If all men become homo , then how our sisters will get married ? There will be no next generations

    If there is no hereafter , then homosexuals will be safe ; but what if God really exists ? These people are gonna be roasted in fire yak ...imagine thier pain . Is not it safer for them to stay away from the evil ?
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    In a religious/Islamic view point, It's about what is halal or haram. It's defined with Charia, Sunna, Hadith or Quran. Saying if something is 'right' or 'wrong' is highly submitted to subjectivity.

    Concerning homosexuality, it's sodomy that's haram. When a man feels an attraction to another man is not haram unless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman View Post
    Salaam/Peace



    If all men become homo , then how our sisters will get married ? There will be no next generations
    What makes you think that all men will become homosexuals?

    Statistics suggest that no more of 10% of the UK population are gays or lesbians, and that that figure has been fairly constant (as best as people can tell - obviously in the past people would have been much more reluctant to admit to being homosexual than they would be nowadays).

    There is no suggestion that homosexuality will 'infect' the whole population.


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    What christianity says about homosexuality? Is it ok or is it sin?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
    I didn't claim it was normal. It's not normal. I simply asked you why homosexuality is wrong and your reasons are logical fallacies. There's nothing wrong with that though. Even the smartest ethicist would have trouble demonstrating why homosexuality is wrong.

    when religion guides your morality it isn't difficult ti see where and how it is wrong, the same way you know that sex outside of marriage or abortion as birth control is wrong (yet people do it anyway).. the fact of the matter if you'll have a hard time proving anything is wrong depending very well in your baseline. If you have nothing to define right from wrong for you, your views are bound to be askew, and you are bound to ask ridiculous questions of people.

    Religion defines the finite details of morality the way pathology defines specimen and frozen sections for the surgeons.

    Personally I think they only humiliate themselves by their acts, I don't care what they do in their private time, I don't want it in my face around the clock!

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    lmao gossamer skye, perhaps you should paraphrase that looooong thing you pasted there. Like anybody will read all of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by sister harb View Post
    What christianity says about homosexuality? Is it ok or is it sin?
    Everything is allowed in Christianity, worshiping men and getting bent!




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    The issue is more psychological than anything else (men behaving like women and vice versa which contradicts the main role of either party when placed in a family structure). It also flies in the face of evolution and thus science as a whole but oh well.


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    Without getting into the 'ethics' of it (let's face it, muslims and non-muslims will always have a different idea on what is to be considered morally correct), nature itself has a lot to say on the purpose of homosexuals.

    Men and women have different but complementary genitalia and are able to advance the human race via procreational intercourse.

    Humans do not have the natural ability to procreate in a homo setting. Homosexuals cannot procreate and cannot advance the human race by themselves.

    A homosexually inclined person is about as useful to advancing the human race as somebody who has intercourse with a fair-ground ride (does happen).

    Ultimately, such acts can be done, but the practitioners have deviated from what is to be considered natural.

    Humans only have one option if they want to survive and that is hetero. This implies homosexuality is a flaw or disease.

    Usually, effort is spent curing diseases. Homosexuality should be treated no different.

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    You know, I lived in Taiwan for years (born there), and in some districts, if someone is gay, they get fingers chopped off

    Homosexuality is corrupt and IMMORAL and it should be banned with maximum offenses if caught...

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    Greetings,
    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude View Post
    A homosexually inclined person is about as useful to advancing the human race as somebody who has intercourse with a fair-ground ride (does happen).
    So is someone who is celibate. Should celibacy be banned too?

    Peace

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