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Default Re: Scientists’ Comments on the Scientific Miracles - 05-07-2008

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Education is antifaith.

Faith is beliving in something without evidence or understanding.

Wrong, education strengthens faith. Whether or not you are properly educated or properly understand the true religion is your own problem. We look at a paining and see the meaning and purpose, you see the colors and material its made out of and deny the purpose.

It's all what you make of it. WHy are there so many religious scientists and educated believers? It is foolish to say education is anti faith or science is anti faith. Science is not an absolute thing that reaches across time. It is the level of development we have at that point in time. Soon it will catch up to religion, the true religion Islam.


To end this discussion, all that is needed is the Prophet's (SAW) advice.

"To listen to the words of the learned, and to instill into others the lessons of science, is better than religious exercises."


Science + Religion = Stronger faith
Religion = Strong Faith
Science = Dead end

I believe it was Sir Francis Bacon who said that a little science makes an atheist, a lot of science makes a BELIEVER.

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Default Re: Scientists’ Comments on the Scientific Miracles - 05-07-2008

learning more about nature has been a big factor in my developing a belief in god. the more you learn, the more awesome it all is.
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perhaps your not. im not going to judge you. im my self an well educated.
you can't be 'an well educated'-- that is an oxymoron right there.. like 'deafening silence'... hilarious

let's start with basics all right just for believability' sake then work our way up.. if English is your first language, then master the linguistics first, then eventually graduate to the sciences...

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you can't be 'an well educated'-- that is an oxymoron right there.. like 'deafening silence'... hilarious

let's start with basics all right just for believability' sake then work our way up.. if English is your first language, then master the linguistics first, then eventually graduate to the sciences...

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Wrong, education strengthens faith. Whether or not you are properly educated or properly understand the true religion is your own problem. We look at a paining and see the meaning and purpose, you see the colors and material its made out of and deny the purpose.

It's all what you make of it. WHy are there so many religious scientists and educated believers?

and? why are there so many of different religions? i personally see them as seperating their religion and their science. Of course many bend whatever they see to fit their faith.

It is foolish to say education is anti faith or science is anti faith. Science is not an absolute thing that reaches across time. It is the level of development we have at that point in time. Soon it will catch up to religion, the true religion Islam.

catch up? you mean what exactly? Faith is based on ignorance. If you know something you cant have faith. If you have evidence that god exists you cant have faiththat he exists.


To end this discussion, all that is needed is the Prophet's (SAW) advice.
im not sure how that relates.

"To listen to the words of the learned, and to instill into others the lessons of science, is better than religious exercises."


Science + Religion = Stronger faith
Religion = Strong Faith
Science = Dead end

huh?


I believe it was Sir Francis Bacon who said that a little science makes an atheist, a lot of science makes a BELIEVER.
and so what? i got many a scientists named steve that disagree.

i disagree, i think science may strengthen your belief in your religion but faith is strictly believeing in something without evidence.

If you know god exists you cant have faith that he exists.

If you know you have 5 bucks in your pocket you cant have faith you have 5 bucks in your pocket.
   
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seriously SE take any typos with a grain of salt. your typical attitude is to do personal attacks and it reflects on you. nowz if id care that muhc abuot my gramer n spellun id bauda wit it mores.

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SE actually does have a point, to be honest.
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what? his point is to point out i made typos and be a grammar nazi? oh my... i must not have an edumacation....
   
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ah the p3rf3c7 ness of your p3r50nal 4774ck5.

seriously SE take any typos with a grain of salt. your typical attitude is to do personal attacks and it reflects on you. nowz if id care that muhc abuot my gramer n spellun id bauda wit it mores.

im n ur brain eatn ur hamburgz.
Actually if you have ever had anything of substance to impart, you wouldn't be the subject to a battery of insults from everyone not just my person!.. In general you have the mental capacity of a 12 year old, and that is being very generous.

I don't think you are in my brain at all, you see the proctologist has just called.. Alas they have found your head!

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Default Re: Scientists’ Comments on the Scientific Miracles - 05-07-2008

Wrong, education strengthens faith. Whether or not you are properly educated or properly understand the true religion is your own problem. We look at a paining and see the meaning and purpose, you see the colors and material its made out of and deny the purpose.

It's all what you make of it. WHy are there so many religious scientists and educated believers?


and? why are there so many of different religions? i personally see them as seperating their religion and their science. Of course many bend whatever they see to fit their faith.


If you are asking why there are so many religions with THAT many posts under your belt, you must be good at typing blind. The false religions have problems and science illuminates them, hence the Prophet SAW telling us to listen to the learned too.

It is foolish to say education is anti faith or science is anti faith. Science is not an absolute thing that reaches across time. It is the level of development we have at that point in time. Soon it will catch up to religion, the true religion Islam.

catch up? you mean what exactly? Faith is based on ignorance. If you know something you cant have faith. If you have evidence that god exists you cant have faiththat he exists.


Yet again, faith is not based on ignorance. The Prophet SAW said that the likeness of a learned beliver compared to the ignorant believer is like the moon above all the stars. He also said that a learned beliver is harder on the devil than 1000 ignorant ones. You keep calling faith ignorance. Sour grapes? You can't bring yourself to follow Allah and then slander faith. Childish but predictable. YOU are in ignorance and to say that we are because we have discovered a truth that you dont like is asinine.

To end this discussion, all that is needed is the Prophet's (SAW) advice.
im not sure how that relates.


Simply stating that even the Prophets say that learning about science will strengthen our faith and show us that they go hand in hand.

"To listen to the words of the learned, and to instill into others the lessons of science, is better than religious exercises."


Science + Religion = Stronger faith
Religion = Strong Faith
Science = Dead end

huh?

See above.

I believe it was Sir Francis Bacon who said that a little science makes an atheist, a lot of science makes a BELIEVER.
and so what? i got many a scientists named steve that disagree.


I know people who disagree with the earth being rounded, Hurray!! we BOTH know ignorant people!

i disagree, i think science may strengthen your belief in your religion but faith is strictly believeing in something without evidence.

If you know god exists you cant have faith that he exists.

If you know you have 5 bucks in your pocket you cant have faith you have 5 bucks in your pocket.



Wow you like to go in circles don't you? I can see where this is going, you don't get it do you? Allah has put SIGNS in the earth, faith is based on recognizing, reflecting upon, and beliving in those signs. If you could PROVE empirically that Allah existed, then there would be no faith. This life is a test to see who works towards Allah and who doesnt, the signs when properly understood, amount to much more than enough evidence to follow Allah.

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Nope. There's plenty of evidence...if you choose not to believe it, thats up to you..
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