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Default Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang' - 06-10-2008

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Darn it, didnt read it carefully sry.
Time belongs to Allah swt as is evidenced in
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It is authentically reported on the authority of Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Allah, Most Blessed, Most High, says: "The son of Adam wrongs Me: He curses time, though I am time: In My Hands are all things and I cause the night to follow the day." 2 In another narration, He (peace be upon him) says: "Do not curse time, for verily, time is Allah Most Blessed, Most High."
but isn't one of his names, as I had mentioned earlier.. I apologize that was an error on my part ..

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Default Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang' - 06-10-2008

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No, the Theory of the Big Bang has not been falsified like the theory of Evolution has not been falsified.

It means that the "Big Bang" is the most probable explanation of how the universe began (AKA Inflation). This does not make it a "Fact"

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It's only a theory remember! and the Koran is only a book !
I agree that the Koran is only a book, but additionally what about the thousands of hadiths?
   
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Default Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang' - 06-10-2008

Putting books to practice is how we become lawyers, physicians, engineers, pharmacists, historians, computers programmers and even idealogues.. it is how we grow into city states, countries, civilized societies and communities.. It is also how we preserve knowledge and secure the past and future aren't lost, that learning, reasoning as well as all facets of our known universe persist to all future generations, it is how we truly evolve as a specie.....

When we cease to consider books that have stood the test of time for what they are and truly worth.. we are left powerless and ignorant, mouthing off some mindless drivel of our own caprice and really no different than animals...
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When we cease to consider books that have stood the test of time for what they are and truly worth.. we are left powerless and ignorant, mouthing off some mindless drivel of our own caprice and really no different than animals...
We are no different from animals apart from rather more impressive cognitive powers and a never-ending impulse to destroy whatever we come into contact with in the vain hope of making ourselves happier, be it ourselves, other species, or whatever.
   
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We are no different from animals apart from rather more impressive cognitive powers and a never-ending impulse to destroy whatever we come into contact with in the vain hope of making ourselves happier, be it ourselves, other species, or whatever.
Some 'humans' are indeed no different than animals --if not even lesser forms.. I beg to differ speaking equally so on the whole of humanity...

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We are no different from animals apart from rather more impressive cognitive powers and a never-ending impulse to destroy whatever we come into contact with in the vain hope of making ourselves happier, be it ourselves, other species, or whatever.
well said. Humans id say often are much worse. How many wars have been started by cats? How many dog rebellions? Animals typically kill out of the basic needs of survival. Humans do it for fun, religion, politics, greed, greed, greed, selfishness, greed, to name a few. Did i mention greed?
   
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Default Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang' - 06-11-2008

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Time is one of the attributes/characteristics of Allah... time also belongs to him, an attribute of his..

pls read the ahadiths fully..
I don't understand your logic my sister. Care to clarify that statement?

Time was willed into being by the First Cause (Allaah) Whose existence transcends it, but we, the created, are subject to time, and for this we cannot picture in our minds the Lord's state of timelessness. Another thing, our aqeedah doesn't teach it is an attribute of God's - He, the sublime, is beyond both space and time.

And if in truth there is more than one universe as the article suggests, then greater the glory to God; the Qur'an calls Him the Lord of the Worlds.

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I don't understand your logic my sister. Care to clarify that statement?

Time was willed into being by the First Cause (Allaah) Whose existence transcends it, but we, the created, are subject to time, and for this we cannot picture in our minds the Lord's state of timelessness. Another thing, our aqeedah doesn't teach it is an attribute of God's - He, the sublime, is beyond both space and time.

And if in truth there is more than one universe as the article suggests, then greater the glory to God; the Qur'an calls Him the Lord of the Worlds.

Regards,
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my reasoning came from this hadith, "The son of Adam wrongs Me: He curses time, though I am time: In My Hands are all things and I cause the night to follow the day." 2 In another narration, He (peace be upon him) says: "Do not curse time, for verily, time is Allah Most Blessed, Most High."

but I agree with you, we can't conceptualize time or the Lord's state of timelessness... If time is imputed to Allah SWT, such as other qualities for instance 'mercy' it makes sense to me that, time would indeed be, before the 'big bang'

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Default Re: Hints of 'time before Big Bang' - 06-15-2008

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Wait, I'm confused, which things in the Quran does this confirm?
I've a different take on this. In the Quran it is mentioned that our universe is inside another universe. Well, before this article I used to believe it is not possible to know, but now I see some possible to know whether our universe is inside another universe or not.
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