Without actually hitting the reverse gear and defending the "definition" of "Gay". Can you back that statement up with just 1 single peer reviewed paper????? many thanks.

It's common sense and a little bit of biology. Humans cannot procreate if they are committing homosexuality. Therefore, you cannot be born gay (since it'd have to come from your genetic makeup - since both of your parents would have to be heterosexual for you to have been born in the first place, there is zero possibility of you obtaining a gay gene from them - even if your genetics were to skip a generation, homosexuality PREVENTS passing on the gene in the first place) Hence you cannot be born gay.

I think he was trying to say that since gay people can't normally have children it would be impossible for children to inherit gayness from their parents.

Unless gayness is recessive. Or maybe it was new mutation?

Are you serious? Violence or not, he still abused the children!

Indeed. It's also worth pointing out that many gay people do have children due to social pressure.
I don't think homosexuality is inheritable though, it's probably a mutation of some sort.

^ this is one of the most self-centered arguments ever.

People use "consenting" to make everything ok. They dont even look at what it does to society and people as a whole, how it breed's chaos among the norm.

the fornication of "two consenting adults" has already caused humanity their loss of shame and dignity, and now we're bringing into it the homosexual acts of "two consenting adults"!? just how much further will we drop? the acts of "two consenting under 16's? because with this society ANYTHING seems possible !


As for the original post, before reading anything further icequeen's same question popped into my head,

"let them predict the homosexuality of babies and then say "there is no longer anything to debate about!""!


Peace




Thank you brother Osman, that was an interesting read

As predicted. Your stated fact is nothing of the sort. It's simply an interpretation of your OWN opinion.

Agreed. This though does not mean homosexuals cannot procreate.

I don't think individuals with a gay parent would agree with you. And since for individual basis reasons such people exist, your premis is just wrong.

And yet homosexuality is very common in humans and across the worlds species. Your premis is deeply flawed.

Your point referenced physical attraction to a women and rape, hence it was not relavent to this case.

Homophobic ranting is all I see in your post. Perhaps you prefer a society that throws them from the top of the highest cliff, that's your choice.

Then perhaps you should open your mind and look deeper because ranting isnt even a part of my post, i intended to make a clear point and i can only hope i have done so


please dont quote me next time unless you have something constructive to say

you have called my concern for society and its downfall a "homophobic rant", i hope next time you will have the manners to at least correct me and help improve any flaws i may have in what i have, in your words, "ranted" about.

Gay parents usually turn gay AFTER the child is born. Only other occasion I could think that supports any counter to my statement is that of adoption - but that's not a genetic link so doesn't really count.

Homosexuality is in most cases usually: learnt (through environment), developed over time (i.e from attraction to intercourse) or based on conformity to social norms (sometimes a mixture of the three). The initial attraction a human has (i.e is born with) for either sex does not define them as hetero or homo. This study is essentially saying that yes it does define you as homo. Which would mean lack of choice in your own sexuality, which would therefore lead us to the existence of fate - something athiests like to deny!


As I said; it cannot be genetically inherited. Murder is also as common in humans but we all know that murder is not genetically inherited. Homosexuality (something which prevents humanity from surviving ergo a detriment to mankinds existence) cannot be passed on genetically.

This is news I guess.

The action is the sin, not the thought process. To commit the act of sodomy, requires intent. To think oneself is homosexual, this is not a sin (it's a thought and thoughts arent punished in Islam) - only actions can be used as grounds for any sort of punishment.

I believe theres is a hadith regarding this: if a person thinks of doing a good deed he will be reward 1 good deed. If he acts upon that deed, he will receive 10. If he thinks of doing a bad deed, he will receive no punishment. If he acts on that, he will receive 1 bad deed.

So clearly, its actually weighted in favour of thinking good things!

Bro if a man can be clean but after, by his very own free-will, he rolls in mud can become dirty,
If a man can be an innocent pure baby and then, by his own free-will, becomes a homicidal maniac,
then whats to stop us from suggesting that just as the boy who didnt resist the urge to roll in mud, or the homicidal maniac who cant resist killing, that these homosexuals didnt reject or resist former inclinations and desires which ultimately lead to this mentality of "this is who i am, i can no longer help it".

All fires start small and then rage, the fire of homosexuality might have been extinguished at an early stage, they have transgressed themselves, God didnt MAKE them like that as you seen to think.

In islaam we have a belief that the more you sin the more black your heart becomes, until it covers your whole heart and you can no longer "help it". This doesnt just go for homosexuality but many many sins...

they havent proved we're born this way, they've only found a pattern between 90 adults.




Peace

Are you trying to say that it can't be inherited because it is detrimental? I'm not sure how that logic works since it is well known that disease is inherited and disease is also detrimental to mankind...