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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-25-2008

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regardless of whether you are BORN homosexual, it still doesnt justify performing homosexual acts.

its the same as being born with a bad temper i think.. some people have anger management problems with doctors would say are innate and pyschological, or carried on through genes. This doesnt suddenly mean you can justify anger, anger will still be haraam.

i dont agree with homosexuality, and i never will. i dont care what argument is put in front of me
Yourself being a female, imagine being told that the only acceptable relationship (romantic) is with another female. Would you do it, and if you did, would you be happy?
   
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-25-2008

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Yourself being a female, imagine being told that the only acceptable relationship (romantic) is with another female. Would you do it, and if you did, would you be happy?
Look at the bright side, at least you think that with her being female she would not like to have relationship with another female. Anyhow, this analogy of yours is rather problematic. It is like asking person who dislikes drug to think:
(1) You don't like drugs but I'll force you to take drugs as that is the only acceptable way.
(2) If you can't do that, then you have no right to force your opinion on people who take drugs since see I showed you can't change what you like either.
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-25-2008

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You just continue thinking like that you homophobic fool, lady I pity your ignorance.......;
The only one ignorant is you here man. You know darn well that from a theistic point of view ( which I and billions hold to be true) homosexuality is a sin just like bestiality and such. But if you want sexual anarchy then thats fine by me, but dont go around calling others ignorant when stating an OPINION of yours against a religious BELIEF of ours.


But let me go along with your pseudo noble charade for a moment do you think BESTIALITY should be condemned? You are logically obligated to follow through.


This question goes to all you "accepting" atheists. DO you think bestiality is alright?
   
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-26-2008

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Look at the bright side, at least you think that with her being female she would not like to have relationship with another female. Anyhow, this analogy of yours is rather problematic. It is like asking person who dislikes drug to think:
(1) You don't like drugs but I'll force you to take drugs as that is the only acceptable way.
(2) If you can't do that, then you have no right to force your opinion on people who take drugs since see I showed you can't change what you like either.
1) Exactly, you are forcing those who are born homosexual not only be attracted to the opposite sex.


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The only one ignorant is you here man. You know darn well that from a theistic point of view ( which I and billions hold to be true) homosexuality is a sin just like bestiality and such. But if you want sexual anarchy then thats fine by me, but dont go around calling others ignorant when stating an OPINION of yours against a religious BELIEF of ours.


But let me go along with your pseudo noble charade for a moment do you think BESTIALITY should be condemned? You are logically obligated to follow through.


This question goes to all you "accepting" atheists. DO you think bestiality is alright?
I don't know what other atheists think. However, bestiality should be condemned because it hurts the animals ( I think?) and obviously animals don't have a decision here.

Homosexuality is different. You have two people who are o.k. with one another and in the end aren't hurting anyone.
   
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-26-2008

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1) Exactly, you are forcing those who are born homosexual not only be attracted to the opposite sex.
What exactly? Your analogy was problematic as I explained, which you didn't address. By the analogy of yours we should allow drugs too.
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-26-2008

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What exactly? Your analogy was problematic as I explained, which you didn't address. By the analogy of yours we should allow drugs too.
How so? I'm saying that you are forcing the homosexuals to not be what they were born to be.
   
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-26-2008

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How so? I'm saying that you are forcing the homosexuals to not be what they were born to be.
You are still not addressing the drug analogy. Explain why your analogy is different than the drugs analogy. Or you believe drugs should be allowed freely?
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-26-2008

talk bout Gay or homosex/lesbian....is normal in modern world...what gonna say is:

A uzubillahi minas syaitanir Rajim....

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Bismillah hir rahma nir rahim......

Allahumma solliala muhammad wa ala ali muhammad...




Talk bout this issue about same sex love or Gay....is prohibited by Allah...since time oF Luth (Sodom and Gomorrah)..cause sodomy is really a huge punishment from Allah..., We dont choose to be Gay/lesbian/penkid...?
in the modern situation,people get lotsa abused by their friends and family oF same sex to make love with them...and later on sooner they will be like this... people dont like themselves to change to she male,or tomboy... and etc....people are forced to be like this cauSe is like a habits....u cant changed if wanna change,Can! must take lotsa time....u can prevail yourself and follow some good people what can i say Good samaritan to religion classes to learn bout religion and stay up with friend that heterosexual or straight women or men...!.....u can going to psycologist for counseling...is better purposed....and trying to change our thinking and attitude is the important..and so make up...and make that change...so how we can resist change? so we must pray to God to avoid sodomy or Zina...is Haram!....and steadfast in our 5 times prayer....and do lotsa zikir...for muslim....and christian we can priest or cathechism class teacher for help and counseling...
No one like to be Gay....except they want to be like that....and they said they are like that...strong in ya heart u can make the change...insyaallah!
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-26-2008

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You just continue thinking like that you homophobic fool, lady I pity your ignorance.......;

What are you talking about? Let me have my own opinions, mom.
Are you gay?
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-26-2008

i am just to help people who are GAy...! i am straight guy!
   
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-26-2008

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i am just to help people who are GAy...! i am straight guy!
She wasn't referring to you.
   
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You are still not addressing the drug analogy. Explain why your analogy is different than the drugs analogy. Or you believe drugs should be allowed freely?
I don't understand your drug analogy. You are talking about somebody who dislikes drugs (similar to a homosexual who dislikes(sexually) the opposite sex), but then forcing them to to take drugs as it is the only acceptable way (forcing homosexuals to only like the opposite sex, whom they aren't attracted to).

If homosexuals get married, how does it affect you? It doesn't. Let them do what they want as long as they are happy and aren't negatively affecting anything.
   
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-26-2008

This thread has completely diverted from its original path..
let's recap then we can close it!
two opinions, you can fall into the category of choice and let it rest!

Being gay is a form of sexual deviation, as originally defined by the DSM before the new age wave... It is a sin religiousely speaking! No more on the matter needs to be said..
Like knowing that pre-marital or extra marital sex is wrong without an institution
or consciousely disengaging from a pederast act with a consenting 13 year old, or taking more than one consenting wife, you understand the difference of what it is against religious law and what goes against state law..

On the other hand, you can let 'state law' define your morality and are ok with homosexuals gyrating their bodies whilst wearing blindingly colorful speedos in front of your three year olds, because they really can't help it...

Homosexuality isn't a choice to you, and certainly we have seen examples of that when ann heche decided she was no longer a lesbian, left her female lover Ellen DeGeneres to become hetrosexual again, or when George Micheal decided to forgo women for lewd acts in public for which he was arrested more than once...

No, it is as the scans on those ninty folks tell us, an inborn trait..

with that I hope we are done here!
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Some corrections for what you put in brackets.
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You are talking about somebody who dislikes drugs (similar to a homosexual who dislikes(sexually) the opposite sex)
Nope: similar to a heterosexual who dislikes(sexually) the same sex.

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but then forcing them to to take drugs as it is the only acceptable way (forcing homosexuals to only like the opposite sex, whom they aren't attracted to)
Nope: forcing heterosexual to only like the same sex, whom they aren't attracted to.

It was a parallel to your analogy that you were giving to the sister here.


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If homosexuals get married, how does it affect you? It doesn't. Let them do what they want as long as they are happy and aren't negatively affecting anything.
How does drug additicts taking drugs affect me either?
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Default Re: Scans see 'gay brain differences' - 06-26-2008

Has this thread not run its course?
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