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      Homosexuality


      Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
      I hate to meddle in the discussion but I would love to hear your logical explanation of why homosexuality is wrong.
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      It isn't in conformity with the 'norm' what is decreed by religion or 'Nature' if we were strict naturalists.

      in fact up to the 1970's this was classified in the DSM-II as an act of deviance. And it really is no different than other deviant and 'abnormal' sexual acts. I won't get into the trail of other problems that concern homosexuals exclusively (for instance their highest rate of anal cancer) or kaposi's sarcoma etc. but strictly from a religious/ or naturalistic point of view, it is actually worthless to be homosexual. If we are to ignore religion and think of what good homosexuality brings, it brings nothing.. futile cycles aren't inspired by 'nature' but by a sick psychology, and that is in fact what it is-- a psychological rather than a biological aberrancy!
      I can't believe we are even discussing this like it is normal status quo!

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      Re: Is it possible to Prove the Qu'ran is the very Words of God?


      Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
      It isn't in conformity with the 'norm' what is decreed by religion or 'Nature' if we were strict naturalists.

      in fact up to the 1970's this was classified in the DSM-II as an act of deviance. And it really is no different than other deviant and 'abnormal' sexual acts. I won't get into the trail of other problems that concern homosexuals exclusively (for instance their highest rate of anal cancer) or kaposi's sarcoma etc. but strictly from a religious/ or naturalistic point of view, it is actually worthless to be homosexual. If we are to ignore religion and think of what good homosexuality brings, it brings nothing.. futile cycles aren't inspired by 'nature' but by a sick psychology, and that is in fact what it is-- a psychological rather than a biological aberrancy!
      I can't believe we are even discussing this like it is normal status quo!

      all the best
      Just because something is not natural does not imply that is wrong. No one would hold such a weak ethical theory! Even if it is an abnormal sexuality it still doesn't follow that it is wrong. And there are many homosexual couples that don't suffer from any medical problems...but irresponsible sex is bad in both hetero/homosexual couples. As for not bringing any good..well I am sure homosexuals find some good in being able to be with the people they love/attracted to. So yes, there is a good.

      Ethical judgments are inherently contractual between people. That is why labeling things like homosexuality that don't violate any social contract is going to be extraordinarily difficult.

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      Re: Is it possible to Prove the Qu'ran is the very Words of God?


      Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
      Just because something is not natural does not imply that is wrong.
      Says who?
      No one would hold such a weak ethical theory!
      Many in fact do!

      Even if it is an abnormal sexuality it still doesn't follow that it is wrong.
      And you are yet to prove why it isn't wrong!
      and give us the definition of wrong while working on your logic!

      And there are many homosexual couples that don't suffer from any medical problems
      There are many people with many psychological conditions, like bestiality who also don't suffer any medical problems, it doesn't make it anymore OK!

      ...but irresponsible sex is bad in both hetero/homosexual couples.
      It has nothing to do with the term 'irresponsible'
      does committing a perfect crime and being responsibly careful, make it OK?

      As for not bringing any good..well I am sure homosexuals find some good in being able to be with the people they love/attracted to. So yes, there is a good.
      That makes no sense whatsoever.. those who practice bestiality for instance bring pleasure to themselves and to the animals they fondle, pleasure and hedonism doesn't equal to goodness!

      Ethical judgments are inherently contractual between people. That is why labeling things like homosexuality that don't violate any social contract is going to be extraordinarily difficult.
      It violates many social and moral contracts.
      It isn't a union that is recognized by God and from the lowest common denominator sex outside of marriage is a sin!

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      Re: Homosexuality


      Certainly 'health reasons' aren't the conly factors contributing to the social and moral significance of the negative consequences of homosexuality. They certainly need to be mentioned!

      THE FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL June 27, 2005
      www.frc.org
      The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality
      by: Timothy J. Dailey, Ph. D.
      Homosexual activists attempt to portray their lifestyle as normal and
      healthy, and insist that homosexual relationships are the equivalent in
      every way to their heterosexual counterparts. Hollywood and the media
      relentlessly propagate the image of the fit, healthy, and well-adjusted
      homosexual. The reality is quite opposite to this caricature which was
      recently conceded by the homosexual newspaper New York Blade News:
      Reports at a national conference about sexually transmitted diseases
      indicate that gay men are in the highest risk group for several of the most
      serious diseases. . . . Scientists believe that the increased number of
      sexually transmitted diseases (STD) cases is the result of an increase in
      risky sexual practices by a growing number of gay men who believe HIV is
      no longer a life-threatening illness.[1]
      Instability and promiscuity typically characterize homosexual relationships.
      These two factors increase the incidence of serious and incurable STDs. In
      addition, some homosexual behaviors put practitioners at higher risk for a
      variety of ailments, as catalogued by the following research data:
      Risky Sexual Behavior on the Rise Among Homosexuals. Despite two
      decades of intensive efforts to educate homosexuals against the dangers of
      acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) and other STDs, the incidence
      of unsafe sexual practices that often result in various diseases is on the
      rise.
      · According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC),
      from 1994 to 1997 the proportion of homosexuals reporting having had
      anal sex increased from 57.6 percent to 61.2 percent, while the
      percentage of those reporting "always" using condoms declined from
      69.6 percent to 60 percent.[2]
      · The CDC reported that during the same period the proportion of men
      reporting having multiple sex partners and unprotected anal sex
      increased from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent. The largest increase in this
      category (from 22 percent to 33.3 percent) was reported by homosexuals
      twenty-five years old or younger.[3]
      Homosexuals Failing to Disclose Their HIV Status to Sex Partners
      · A study presented July 13, 2000 at the XIII International aids
      Conference in Durban, South Africa disclosed that a significant number of
      homosexual and bisexual men with HIV "continue to engage in
      unprotected sex with people who have no idea they could be contracting
      HIV."[4] Researchers from the University of California, San Francisco
      found that thirty-six percent of homosexuals engaging in unprotected
      oral, anal, or vaginal sex failed to disclose that they were HIV positive to
      casual sex partners.[5]
      · A CDC report revealed that, in 1997, 45 percent of homosexuals
      reporting having had unprotected anal intercourse during the previous
      six months did not know the HIV serostatus of all their sex partners.
      Even more alarming, among those who reported having had unprotected
      anal intercourse and multiple partners, 68 percent did not know the HIV
      serostatus of their partners.[6]
      Young Homosexuals are at Increased Risk. Following in the footsteps of the
      generation of homosexuals decimated by AIDS, younger homosexuals are
      engaging in dangerous sexual practices at an alarming rate.
      · A Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health study of threehundred-
      sixty-one young men who have sex with men (MSM) aged
      fifteen to twenty-two found that around 40 percent of participants
      reported having had anal-insertive sex, and around 30 percent said they
      had had anal-receptive sex. Thirty-seven percent said they had not used
      a condom for anal sex during their last same-sex encounter. Twenty-one
      percent of the respondents reported using drugs or alcohol during their
      last same-sex encounter.[7]
      · A five-year CDC study of 3,492 homosexual males aged fifteen to
      twenty-two found that one-quarter had unprotected sex with both men
      and women. Another CDC study of 1,942 homosexual and bisexual men
      with HIV found that 19 percent had at least one episode of unprotected
      anal sex--the riskiest sexual behavior--in 1998 and 1997, a 50 percent
      increase from the previous two years.[8]
      Homosexual Promiscuity. Studies indicate that the average male
      homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:
      · A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female
      homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex
      with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex
      partners.[9]
      · In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals
      published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that
      only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most
      common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of
      having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.[10]
      · A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24
      percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred
      sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several
      respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than
      a thousand sexual partners.[11]
      · In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and
      Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual
      relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting
      hundreds of lifetime partners."[12]
      Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples. Even in those homosexual
      relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a
      committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" typically means
      something radically different from marriage.
      · In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M.
      Mattison reported that in a study of a hundred-fifty-six males in
      homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years,
      Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these
      men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all
      couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated
      some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.[13]
      · In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that
      the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and
      three years.[14]
      Unhealthy Aspects of "Monogamous" Homosexual Relationships. Even those
      homosexual relationships that are loosely termed "monogamous" do not
      necessarily result in healthier behavior.
      · The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged
      in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse with greater frequency than
      those without a steady partner.[15] Anal intercourse has been linked to a
      host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including
      AIDS.
      · The exclusivity of the relationship did not diminish the incidence of
      unhealthy sexual acts, which are commonplace among homosexuals. An
      English study published in the same issue of the journal AIDS concurred,
      finding that most "unsafe" sex acts among homosexuals occur in steady
      relationships.[16]
      Human Papillomavirus (HPV). HPV is a collection of more than seventy
      types of viruses that can cause warts, or papillomas, on various parts of the
      body. More than twenty types of HPV are incurable STDs that can infect the
      genital tract of both men and women. Most HPV infections are subclinical or
      asymptomatic, with only one in a hundred people experiencing genital
      warts.
      · HPV is "almost universal" among homosexuals. According to the
      homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade: "A San Francisco study of
      Gay and bisexual men revealed that HPV infection was almost universal
      among HIV-positive men, and that 60 percent of HIV-negative men
      carried HPV."[17]
      · HPV can lead to anal cancer. At the recent Fourth International AIDS
      Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Andrew
      Grulich announced that "most instances of anal cancer are caused by a
      cancer-causing strain of HPV through receptive anal intercourse. HPV
      infects over 90 percent of HIV-positive gay men and 65 percent of HIVnegative
      gay men, according to a number of recent studies."[18]
      · The link between HPV and cervical cancer. Citing a presentation by Dr.
      Stephen Goldstone to the International Congress on Papillomavirus in
      Human Pathology in Paris, the Washington Blade reports that "HPV is
      believed to cause cervical cancer in women."[19]
      Hepatitis: A potentially fatal liver disease that increases the risk of liver
      cancer.
      · Hepatitis A: The Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report published by
      the CDC reports: "Outbreaks of hepatitis A among men who have sex with
      men are a recurring problem in many large cities in the industrialized
      world."[20]
      · Hepatitis B: This is a serious disease caused by a virus that attacks the
      liver. The virus, which is called hepatitis B virus (HBV), can cause lifelong
      infection, cirrhosis (scarring) of the liver, liver cancer, liver failure, and
      death. Each year in the United States, more than 200,000 people of all
      ages contract hepatitis B and close to 5,000 die of sickness caused by
      AIDS. The CDC reports that MSM are at increased risk for hepatitis B.[21]
      · Hepatitis C is an inflammation of the liver that can cause cirrhosis, liver
      failure and liver cancer. The virus can lie dormant in the body for up to
      thirty years before flaring up. Although less so than with hepatitis A and
      B, MSM who engage in unsafe sexual practices remain at increased risk
      for contracting hepatitis C.[22]
      Gonorrhea: An inflammatory disease of the genital tract. Gonorrhea
      traditionally occurs on the genitals, but has recently appeared in the rectal
      region and in the throat. Although easily treated by antibiotics, according to
      the CDC only "about 50 percent of men have some signs or symptoms, and
      "many women who are infected have no symptoms of infection."[23]
      Untreated gonorrhea can have serious and permanent health consequences,
      including infertility damage to the prostate and urethra.
      · A CDC report documents "significant increases during 1994 to 1997 in
      rectal gonorrhea . . . among MSM," indicating that "safe sex" practices
      may not be taken as seriously as the aids epidemic begins to slow.[24] In
      1999 the CDC released data showing that male rectal gonorrhea is
      increasing among homosexuals amidst an overall decline in national
      gonorrhea rates. The report attributed the increase to a larger
      percentage of homosexuals engaging in unsafe sexual behavior.[25]
      · The incidence of throat Gonorrhea is strongly associated with
      homosexual behavior. The Canadian Medical Association Journal found
      that "gonorrhea was associated with urethral discharge . . . and
      homosexuality (3.7 times higher than the rate among
      heterosexuals)."[26] Similarly, a study in the Journal of Clinical Pathology
      found that homosexual men had a much higher prevalence of pharyngeal
      (throat) gonorrhea--15.2 percent compared with 4.1 percent for
      heterosexual men.[27]
      Syphilis: A venereal disease that, if left untreated, can spread throughout
      the body over time, causing serious heart abnormalities, mental disorders,
      blindness, and death. The initial symptoms of syphilis are often mild and
      painless, leading some individuals to avoid seeking treatment. According to
      the National Institutes of Health, the disease may be mistaken for other
      common illnesses: "syphilis has sometimes been called 'the great imitator'
      because its early symptoms are similar to those of many other diseases."
      Early symptoms include rashes, moist warts in the groin area, slimy white
      patches in the mouth, or pus-filled bumps resembling chicken pox.[28]
      · According to the CDC, "transmission of the organism occurs during
      vaginal, anal, or oral sex."[29] In addition, the Archives of Internal
      Medicine found that homosexuals acquired syphilis at a rate ten times
      that of heterosexuals.[30]
      · The CDC reports that those who contract syphilis face potentially deadly
      health consequences: "It is now known that the genital sores caused by
      syphilis in adults also make it easier to transmit and acquire HIV
      infection sexually. There is a two to five fold increased risk of acquiring
      hiv infection when syphilis is present."[31]
      Gay Bowel Syndrome (GBS):[32] The Journal of the American Medical
      Association refers to GBS problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and
      enteritis as "sexually transmitted gastrointestinal syndromes."[33] Many of
      the bacterial and protozoa pathogens that cause GBS are found in feces and
      transmitted to the digestive system: According to the pro-homosexual text
      Anal Pleasure and Health, "[s]exual activities provide many opportunities
      for tiny amounts of contaminated feces to find their way into the mouth of a
      sexual partner . . . The most direct route is oral-anal contact."[34]
      · Proctitis and Proctocolitis are inflammations of the rectum and colon
      that cause pain, bloody rectal discharge and rectal spasms. Proctitis is
      associated with STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis
      that are widespread among homosexuals.[35] The Sexually Transmitted
      Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical
      Association reports that "[p]roctitis occurs predominantly among persons
      who participate in anal intercourse."
      · Enteritis is inflammation of the small intestine. According to the
      Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the
      American Medical Association, "enteritis occurs among those whose
      sexual practices include oral-fecal contact."[36] Enteritis can cause
      abdominal pain, severe cramping, intense diarrhea, fever, malabsorption
      of nutrients, weight loss.[37] According to a report in The Health
      Implications of Homosexuality by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health,
      some pathogens associated with enteritis and proctocolitis [see below]
      "appear only to be sexually transmitted among men who have sex with
      men."[38]
      HIV/AIDS Among Homosexuals. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)
      is responsible for causing AIDS, for which there exists no cure.
      · Homosexual men are the largest risk category. The CDC reports that
      homosexuals comprise the single largest exposure category of the more
      than 600,000 males with AIDS in the United States. As of December
      1999, "men who have sex with men" and "men who have sex with men
      and inject drugs" together accounted for 64 percent of the cumulative
      total of male AIDS cases.[39]
      · Women risk contracting HIV/AIDS through sexual relations with
      infected MSM. According to the CDC, "HIV infection among U.S. women
      has increased significantly over the last decade, especially in
      communities of color. cdc estimates that, in the United States, between
      120,000 and 160,000 adult and adolescent females are living with HIV
      infection, including those with AIDS." In 1999, for example, most of the
      women (40 percent) reported with AIDS were infected through
      heterosexual exposure to HIV.[40] That number is actually higher, as
      "historically, more than two-thirds of AIDS cases among women initially
      reported without identified risk were later reclassified as heterosexual
      transmission."[41]
      · Homosexuals with HIV are at increased risk for developing other lifethreatening
      diseases. A paper delivered at the Fourth International AIDS
      Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health reported that
      homosexual men with HIV have "a 37-fold increase in anal cancer, a 4-
      fold increase in Hodgkin's disease (cancer of the lymph nodes), a 2.7-fold
      increase in cancer of the testicles, and a 2.5 fold increase in lip
      cancer."[42]
      HIV/AIDS Among Young People
      · AIDS incidence is on the rise among teens and young adults. The CDC
      reports that, "even though AIDS incidence (the number of new cases
      diagnosed during a given time period, usually a year) is declining, there
      has not been a comparable decline in the number of newly diagnosed HIV
      cases among youth.[43]
      · Young homosexual men are at particular risk. The CDC estimates that
      "at least half of all new HIV infections in the United States are among
      people under twenty-five, and the majority of young people are infected
      sexually."[44] By the end of 1999, 29,629 young people aged thirteen to
      twenty-four were diagnosed with AIDS in the United States. MSM were
      the single largest risk category: in 1999, for example, 50 percent of all
      new AIDS cases were reported among young homosexuals.[45]
      · Sexually active young women are also at risk. The CDC reports: "In
      1999, among young women the same age, 47 percent of all AIDS cases
      reported were acquired heterosexually and 11 percent were acquired
      through injection drug use."
      Homosexuals with STDs Are at an Increased Risk for HIV Infection. Studies
      of MSM treated in STD clinics show rates of infection as high as 36 percent
      in major cities.[46] A CDC study attributed the high infection rate to having
      high numbers of anonymous sex partners: "[S]yphilis, gonorrhea, and
      chlamydia apparently have been introduced into a population of MSM who
      have large numbers of anonymous partners, which can result in rapid and
      extensive transmission of STDs."[47] The CDC report concluded: "Persons
      with STDs, including genital ulcer disease and nonulcerative STD, have a
      twofold to fivefold increased risk for HIV infection."[48]
      Anal Cancer: Homosexuals are at increased risk for this rare type of cancer,
      which is potentially fatal if the anal-rectal tumors metastasize to other
      bodily organs.
      · Dr. Joel Palefsky, a leading expert in the field of anal cancer, reports
      that while the incidence of anal cancer in the United States is only
      0.9/100,000, that number soars to 35/100,000 for homosexuals. That
      rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive, which, according to
      Dr. Palefsky, is "roughly ten times higher than the current rate of cervical
      cancer."[49]
      · At the Fourth International AIDS Malignancy Conference at the National
      Institutes of Health in May, 2000, Dr. Andrew Grulich announced that the
      incidence of anal cancer among homosexuals with HIV "was raised 37-
      fold compared with the general population."[50]
      Lesbians are at Risk through Sex with MSM
      · Many Lesbians also have had sex with men. The homosexual newspaper
      The Washington Blade, citing a 1998 study in the Journal of Infectious
      Diseases, reported that "the study's data confirmed previous scientific
      observations that most women who have sex with women also have had
      sex with men."[51] The study added that "sex with men in the prior year
      was common, as were sexual practices between female partners that
      possibly could transmit HPV."[52]
      · Lesbians have more male sex partners that their heterosexual
      counterparts. A study of sexually transmitted disease among lesbians
      reviewed in The Washington Blade notes: "Behavioral research also
      demonstrates that a woman's sexual identity is not an accurate predictor
      of behavior, with a large proportion of 'lesbian' women reporting sex
      with (often high risk) men."[53] The study found that "the median
      number of lifetime male sexual partners was significantly greater for
      WSW (women who have sex with women) than controls (twelve partners
      versus six). WSW were significantly more likely to report more than fifty
      lifetime male sexual partners."[54]
      · A study in the American Journal of Public Health concurs that bisexual
      women are at increased risk for contracting sexually transmitted
      diseases: "Our findings corroborate the finding that wsmw (women who
      have sex with men and women) are more likely than WSMO (women who
      have sex with men only) to engage in various high-risk behaviors" and
      also "to engage in a greater number of risk-related behaviors."[55] The
      study suggested that the willingness to engage in risky sexual practices
      "could be tied to a pattern of sensation-seeking behavior."[56]
      · MSM spread HIV to women. A five-year study by the CDC of 3,492
      homosexuals aged fifteen to twenty-two found that one in six also had
      sex with women. Of those having sex with women, one-quarter "said
      they recently had unprotected sex with both men and women." Nearly 7
      percent of the men in the study were HIV positive."[57] "The study
      confirms that young bisexual men are a 'bridge' for HIV transmission to
      women," said the CDC.[58]
      "Exclusive" Lesbian Relationships Also at Risk. The assumption that lesbians
      involved in exclusive sexual relationships are at reduced risk for sexual
      disease is false. The journal Sexually Transmitted Infections concludes:
      "The risk behavior profile of exclusive WSW was similar to all WSW."[59]
      One reason for this is because lesbians "were significantly more likely to
      report past sexual contact with a homosexual or bisexual man and sexual
      contact with an IDU (intravenous drug user)."[60]
      Cancer Risk Factors for Lesbians. Citing a 1999 report released by the
      Institute of Medicine, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences, the
      homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade notes that "various studies
      on Lesbian health suggest that certain cancer risk factors occur with greater
      frequency in this population. These factors include higher rates of smoking,
      alcohol use, poor diet, and being overweight."[61] Elsewhere the Blade also
      reports: "Some experts believe Lesbians might be more likely than women
      in general to develop breast or cervical cancer because a disproportionate
      number of them fall into high-risk categories."[62]
      Sexually Transmitted Diseases Among Lesbians
      · In a study of the medical records of 1,408 lesbians, the journal Sexually
      Transmitted Infections found that women who have sexual relations with
      womenare at significantly higher risk for certain sexually transmitted
      diseases: "We demonstrated a higher prevalence of BV (bacterial
      vaginosis), hepatitis C, and HIV risk behaviors in WSW as compared with
      controls."[63]
      Compulsive Behavior among Lesbians. A study published in Nursing
      Research found that lesbians are three times more likely to abuse alcohol
      and to suffer from other compulsive behaviors: "Like most problem
      drinkers, 32 (91 percent) of the participants had abused other drugs as well
      as alcohol, and many reported compulsive difficulties with food (34
      percent), codependency (29 percent), sex (11 percent), and money (6
      percent)." In addition, "Forty-six percent had been heavy drinkers with
      frequent drunkenness."[64]
      Alcohol Abuse Among Homosexuals and Lesbians
      · The Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychologists reports that lesbian
      women consume alcohol more frequently, and in larger amounts, than
      heterosexual women.[65] Lesbians were at significantly greater risk than
      heterosexual women for both binge drinking (19.4 percent compared to
      11.7 percent), and for heavy drinking (7 percent compared to 2.7
      percent).[66]
      · Although the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychologists article
      found no significant connection between male homosexuals and alcohol
      abuse, a study in Family Planning Perspective concluded that male
      homosexuals were at greatly increased risk for alcoholism: "Among men,
      by far the most important risk group consisted of homosexual and
      bisexual men, who were more than nine times as likely as heterosexual
      men to have a history of problem drinking."[67] The study noted that
      problem drinking may contribute to the "significantly higher STD rates
      among gay and bisexual men."[68]
      Violence in Lesbian and Homosexual Relationships.
      · A study in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence examined conflict and
      violence in lesbian relationships. The researchers found that 90 percent
      of the lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of
      verbal aggression from their intimate partners during the year prior to
      this study, with 31 percent reporting one or more incidents of physical
      abuse.[69]
      · In a survey of 1,099 lesbians, the Journal of Social Service Research
      found that "slightly more than half of the [lesbians] reported that they
      had been abused by a female lover/partner. The most frequently
      indicated forms of abuse were verbal/emotional/psychological abuse and
      combined physical-psychological abuse."[70]
      · In their book Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay
      Men and Domestic Violence,D. Island and P. Letellier report that "the
      incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
      the heterosexual population."[71]
      Compare the Low Rate of Intimate Partner Violence within Marriage.
      Homosexual and lesbian relationships are far more violent than are
      traditional married households:
      · The Bureau of Justice Statistics (U.S. Department of Justice) reports
      that married women in traditional families experience the lowest rate of
      violence compared with women in other types of relationships.[72]
      · A report by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health concurred,
      It should be noted that most studies of family violence do not differentiate
      between married and unmarried partner status. Studies that do make these
      distinctions have found that marriage relationships tend to have the least
      intimate partner violence when compared to cohabiting or dating
      relationships.[73]
      High Incidence of Mental Health Problems among Homosexuals and
      Lesbians. A national survey of lesbians published in the Journal of
      Consulting and Clinical Psychology found that 75 percent of the nearly 2,000
      respondents had pursued psychological counseling of some kind, many for
      treatment of long-term depression or sadness:
      Among the sample as a whole, there was a distressingly high prevalence of
      life events and behaviors related to mental health problems. Thirty-seven
      percent had been physically abused and 32 percent had been raped or
      sexually attacked. Nineteen percent had been involved in incestuous
      relationships while growing up. Almost one-third used tobacco on a daily
      basis and about 30 percent drank alcohol more than once a week; 6 percent
      drank daily. One in five smoked marijuana more than once a month.
      Twenty-one percent of the sample had thoughts about suicide sometimes or
      often and 18 percent had actually tried to kill themselves. . . . More than
      half had felt too nervous to accomplish ordinary activities at some time
      during the past year and over one-third had been depressed.[74]
      Greater Risk for Suicide.
      · A study of twins that examined the relationship between homosexuality
      and suicide, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry, found that
      homosexuals with same-sex partners were at greater risk for overall
      mental health problems, and were 6.5 times more likely than their twins
      to have attempted suicide. The higher rate was not attributable to mental
      health or substance abuse disorders.[75]
      · Another study published simultaneously in Archives of General
      Psychiatry followed 1,007 individuals from birth. Those classified as
      "gay," lesbian, or bisexual were significantly more likely to have had
      mental health problems.[76] Significantly, in his comments on the studies
      in the same issue of the journal, D. Bailey cautioned against various
      speculative explanations of the results, such as the view that
      "widespread prejudice against homosexual people causes them to be
      unhappy or worse, mentally ill."[77]
      Reduced Life Span. A study published in the International Journal of
      Epidemiology on the mortality rates of homosexuals concluded that they
      have a significantly reduced life expectancy:
      In a major Canadian center, life expectancy at age twenty for gay and
      bisexual men is eight to twenty years less than for all men. If the same
      pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay
      and bisexual men currently aged twenty years will not reach their sixtyfifth
      birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual
      men in this urban center are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to
      that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.[78]
      In 1995, long after the deadly effects of AIDS and other STDs became
      widely known, homosexual author Urvashi Vaid expressed one of the goals
      of her fellow activists: "We have an agenda to create a society in which
      homosexuality is regarded as healthy, natural, and normal. To me that is the
      most important agenda item."[79] Debilitating illness, chronic disease,
      psychological problems, and early death suffered by homosexuals is the
      legacy of this tragically misguided activism, which puts the furthering of an
      "agenda" above saving the lives of those whose interests they purport to
      represent.
      Those who advocate full acceptance of homosexual behavior choose to
      downplay the growing and incontrovertible evidence regarding the serious,
      life-threatening health effects associated with the homosexual lifestyle.
      Homosexual advocacy groups have a moral duty to disseminate medical
      information that might dissuade individuals from entering or continuing in
      an inherently unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle. Education officials in
      particular have a duty to provide information regarding the negative health
      effects of homosexuality to students in their charge, whose very lives are
      put at risk by engaging in such behavior. Above all, civil society itself has an
      obligation to institute policies that promote the health and well-being of its
      citizens. --
      END NOTES
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      Past and Present Times, edited by P. Aries and A. Bejin, pp. 40-61, cited by Joseph
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      Aronson Inc., 1991), pp. 124, 25.
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      Develop (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, 1984), pp. 252, 3.
      14. M. Saghir and E. Robins, Male and Female Homosexuality (Baltimore: Williams and
      Wilkins, 1973), p. 225; L.A. Peplau and H. Amaro, "Understanding Lesbian
      Relationships," in Homosexuality: Social, Psychological, and Biological Issues, edited
      by J. Weinrich and W. Paul (Beverly Hills: Sage, 1982).
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      Clinic and Non-clinic Samples of Gay Men in England, 1991-1992," AIDS, July 1993, pp.
      863-869, cited in "Homosexual Marriage: The Next Demand," Position Analysis paper
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      Misperceptions," The Washington Blade (December 8, 2000). Available at:
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      18. Richard A. Zmuda, "Rising Rates of Anal Cancer for Gay Men," Cancer News
      (August 17, 2000). Available at: cancerlinksusa.com/cancernews_sm/Aug2000
      /081700analcancer.
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      2000). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/000602hm.
      20. Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and
      Prevention) September 4, 1998, p. 708.
      21. "Viral Hepatitus B--Frequently Asked Questions," National Center for Infectious
      Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)September 29, 2000. Available
      at: www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/faqb.
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      Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) 1998.Available at:
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      25. Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and
      Prevention) January 29, 1999, p. 48.
      26. J. Vincelette et al., "Predicators of Chlamydial Infection and Gonorrhea among
      Patients Seen by Private Practitioners," Canadian Medical Association Journal 144
      (1995): 713-721.
      27. SPR Jebakumar et al., "Value of Screeningfor Oropharyngeal Chlamydia
      Trachomatis Infection," Journal of Clinical Pathology 48 (1995): 658-661.
      28. "Some Facts about Syphilis," Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers
      for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at:
      www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/ Fact_Sheets/Syphilis_Facts.
      29. "Syphilis Elimination: History in the Making," Division of Sexually Transmitted
      Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at:
      http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/Fact_...Syphilis_Facts.
      30. C. M. Hutchinson et al., "Characteristics of Patients with Syphilis Attending
      Baltimore STD Clinics," Archives of Internal Medicine 151 (1991): 511-516.
      31. "Syphilis Elimination."
      32. Homosexual advocates object to the use of this term (Gay Bowel Syndrome),
      which they say unfairly stigmatizes homosexual behavior. Health Implications
      Associated with Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health,
      1999), p. 55.
      33. "STD Treatment Guidelines: Proctitis, Proctocolitis, and Enteritis," (Centers for
      Disease Control and Prevention) 1993. Available at: /www.ama-assn.org/special/std
      /treatmnt/guide/stdg3470.htm.
      34. Jack Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health: A Guide for Men and Women (San Francisco:
      Down There Press, 1998), p. 220.
      35. Health Implications, p. 56.
      36. "STD Treatment Guidelines."
      37. Health Implications; See Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health, p. 220, 1.
      38. Health Implications.
      39. "Table 9. Male Adult/Adolescent AIDS Cases by Exposure Category and
      Race/Ethnicity, Reported through December 1999, United States," Centers for Disease
      Control and Prevention: Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention: available at:
      www/cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1102/table9.
      40. "HIV/AIDS Among US Women: Minority and Young Women at Continuing Risk,"
      Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000.
      Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/women.
      41. Ibid.
      42. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer."
      43. "Young People at Risk: HIV/AIDS among America's Youth," Divisions of HIV/AIDS
      Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at:
      www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/youth.htm.
      44. Ibid.
      45. Ibid.
      46. "Need for Sustained HIV Prevention Among Men who Have Sex with Men,"
      Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000.
      Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/msm.
      47. "Resurgent Bacterial Sexually Transmitted Disease among Men Who Have Sex with
      Men--King County, Washington, 1997-1999," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report:
      Centers for Disease Control, September 10, 1999, pp. 773-777. Available at:
      www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ mm4835a1.
      48. "Need for Sustained HIV Prevention."
      49. Bob Roehr, "Anal Cancer and You," Between the Lines News (November 16, 2000).
      Available at: http://www.pridesource.com/cgi-bin/a...rticle=3835560.
      50. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer."
      51. Rhonda Smith, "HPV Can be Transmitted between Women," The Washington Blade
      (December 4, 1998). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/9901011h.
      52. Ibid.
      53. Katherine Fethers et al., "Sexually Transmitted Infections and Risk Behaviors in
      Women Who Have Sex with Women," Sexually Transmitted Infections 76 (2000):348.
      54. Ibid., p. 347.
      55. V. Gonzales, et al., "Sexual and Drug-Use Risk Factors for hiv and STDs: A
      Comparison of Women with and without Bisexual Experiences," American Journal of
      Public Health 89 (December 1999): 1846.
      56. Ibid.
      57. "Bisexuals Serve as 'Bridge' Infecting Women with HIV," Reuters News Service
      (July 30, 2000).
      58. Ibid.
      59. "Sexually Transmitted Infections," p. 347.
      60. Ibid.
      61. Rhonda Smith, "Childbirth Linked with Smaller Breast Tumor Size," The
      Washington Blade (December 17, 1999). Available at:
      www.washblade.com/health/000114lh.
      62. "HPV can be Transmitted between Women."
      63. Katherine Fethers et al., "Sexually Transmitted Infections and Risk Behaviors in
      Women Who Have Sex with Women," Sexually Transmitted Infections, July 2000, p.
      345.
      64. Joanne Hall, "Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic
      Study of Health Care Expectations," Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238-244.
      65. Peter Freiberg, "Study: Alcohol Use More Prevelent for Lesbians," The Washington
      Blade, January 12, 2001, p. 21.
      66. Ibid.
      67. Karen Paige Erickson, Karen F. Trocki, "Sex, Alcohol and Sexually Transmitted
      Diseases: A National Survey," Family Planning Perspectives 26 (December 1994): 261.
      68. Ibid.
      69. Lettie L. Lockhart et al., "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian
      Relationships," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (December 1994): 469-492.
      70. Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian
      Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of
      Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41-59.
      71. D. Island and P. Letellier, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay
      Men and Domestic Violence (New York: Haworth Press, 1991), p. 14.
      72. "Violence Between Intimates," Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings,
      November 1994, p. 2.
      73. Health Implications, p. 79.
      74. J. Bradford, et al., "National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental
      Health Care," Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62 (1994): 239, cited in
      Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality, p. 81.
      75. R. Herrell, et al., "A Co-Twin Study in Adult Men," Archives of General Psychiatry
      56 (1999): 867-874.
      76. D. Fergusson, et al., "Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and
      Suicidality in Young People?" Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (October 1999), p.
      876-884.
      77. Ibid.
      78. Robert S. Hogg et al., "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and
      Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657.
      79. Quoted in Gabriel Rotello, Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men (New
      York: Penguin Books, 1997), p. 286.

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      Skye:

      And you are yet to prove why it isn't wrong!
      and give us the definition of wrong while working on your logic!
      Lol. Are you kidding? Prove why it isn't wrong? Do you know what Shifting the Burden of Proof fallacy is? And you talk about logic, how ironic !

      http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-of-proof.html

      And yes I agree with your study; if you don't use condoms when having sex and if you don't tell your partner that you are HIV positive and then have sex with them...you're going to start health problems

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      Oh I forgot about the rest of your posts.

      There are many people with many psychological conditions, like bestiality who also don't suffer any medical problems, it doesn't make it anymore OK!
      Assumption: that bestiality is wrong. It's certainly disgusting. But I think the problem with bestiality is that it causes harm to the animal or at least it's an abuse of an animal. But anyway, you'd have to start a whole new thread on why bestiality is wrong. Good luck...and then show why it's similar to homosexuality.

      It has nothing to do with the term 'irresponsible'
      does committing a perfect crime and being responsibly careful, make it OK?
      Question-Begging Fallacy. I agree if a crime was committed perfectly then it is still a crime but we are arguing whether homosexuality is bad, so you can't assume it is bad as a premise in your argument !

      That makes no sense whatsoever.. those who practice bestiality for instance bring pleasure to themselves and to the animals they fondle, pleasure and hedonism doesn't equal to goodness!
      OH OKAY. I figured being able to marry/love the person you want was something of profound goodness. Maybe you can elaborate on what Good means?

      It violates many social and moral contracts.
      Such as?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
      Skye:



      Lol. Are you kidding? Prove why it isn't wrong? Do you know what Shifting the Burden of Proof fallacy is? And you talk about logic, how ironic !

      http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-of-proof.html

      And yes I agree with your study; if you don't use condoms when having sex and if you don't tell your partner that you are HIV positive and then have sex with them...you're going to start health problems

      I am not kidding at all, in fact, you are the one who claimed it is normal (sharing a minority vision and a minority act) leaves the burden of proof on you, whatever the case, I don't wish to spend my time on fallacies as it detracts away from the topic at hand which in and of itself has been discussed here ad nauseam.

      I have raised my objections in the two previous posts and believe that they suffice to elucidate my point of view.

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      I didn't claim it was normal. It's not normal. I simply asked you why homosexuality is wrong and your reasons are logical fallacies. There's nothing wrong with that though. Even the smartest ethicist would have trouble demonstrating why homosexuality is wrong.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
      I didn't claim it was normal. It's not normal. I simply asked you why homosexuality is wrong and your reasons are logical fallacies. There's nothing wrong with that though. Even the smartest ethicist would have trouble demonstrating why homosexuality is wrong.
      The inability of ethicists to define what is wrong and right, in ANY scenario, not only homosexuality, highlights the futile nature of subjective morality. There is no absolute standard for ethicists to to work on, compared to lets say scientists ...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
      ..why homosexuality is wrong .
      If all men become homo , then how our sisters will get married ? There will be no next generations

      If there is no hereafter , then homosexuals will be safe ; but what if God really exists ? These people are gonna be roasted in fire yak ...imagine thier pain . Is not it safer for them to stay away from the evil ?
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      In a religious/Islamic view point, It's about what is halal or haram. It's defined with Charia, Sunna, Hadith or Quran. Saying if something is 'right' or 'wrong' is highly submitted to subjectivity.

      Concerning homosexuality, it's sodomy that's haram. When a man feels an attraction to another man is not haram unless
      he does the deed.
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      If all men become homo , then how our sisters will get married ? There will be no next generations
      What makes you think that all men will become homosexuals?

      Statistics suggest that no more of 10% of the UK population are gays or lesbians, and that that figure has been fairly constant (as best as people can tell - obviously in the past people would have been much more reluctant to admit to being homosexual than they would be nowadays).

      There is no suggestion that homosexuality will 'infect' the whole population.
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      What christianity says about homosexuality? Is it ok or is it sin?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
      I didn't claim it was normal. It's not normal. I simply asked you why homosexuality is wrong and your reasons are logical fallacies. There's nothing wrong with that though. Even the smartest ethicist would have trouble demonstrating why homosexuality is wrong.

      when religion guides your morality it isn't difficult ti see where and how it is wrong, the same way you know that sex outside of marriage or abortion as birth control is wrong (yet people do it anyway).. the fact of the matter if you'll have a hard time proving anything is wrong depending very well in your baseline. If you have nothing to define right from wrong for you, your views are bound to be askew, and you are bound to ask ridiculous questions of people.

      Religion defines the finite details of morality the way pathology defines specimen and frozen sections for the surgeons.

      Personally I think they only humiliate themselves by their acts, I don't care what they do in their private time, I don't want it in my face around the clock!

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      lmao gossamer skye, perhaps you should paraphrase that looooong thing you pasted there. Like anybody will read all of that

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      Quote Originally Posted by sister harb View Post
      What christianity says about homosexuality? Is it ok or is it sin?
      Everything is allowed in Christianity, worshiping men and getting bent!
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      The issue is more psychological than anything else (men behaving like women and vice versa which contradicts the main role of either party when placed in a family structure). It also flies in the face of evolution and thus science as a whole but oh well.
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      Without getting into the 'ethics' of it (let's face it, muslims and non-muslims will always have a different idea on what is to be considered morally correct), nature itself has a lot to say on the purpose of homosexuals.

      Men and women have different but complementary genitalia and are able to advance the human race via procreational intercourse.

      Humans do not have the natural ability to procreate in a homo setting. Homosexuals cannot procreate and cannot advance the human race by themselves.

      A homosexually inclined person is about as useful to advancing the human race as somebody who has intercourse with a fair-ground ride (does happen).

      Ultimately, such acts can be done, but the practitioners have deviated from what is to be considered natural.

      Humans only have one option if they want to survive and that is hetero. This implies homosexuality is a flaw or disease.

      Usually, effort is spent curing diseases. Homosexuality should be treated no different.

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      You know, I lived in Taiwan for years (born there), and in some districts, if someone is gay, they get fingers chopped off

      Homosexuality is corrupt and IMMORAL and it should be banned with maximum offenses if caught...

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      Greetings,
      Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude View Post
      A homosexually inclined person is about as useful to advancing the human race as somebody who has intercourse with a fair-ground ride (does happen).
      So is someone who is celibate. Should celibacy be banned too?

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