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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 2,706 Reputation: 14644 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Jan 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
There will be no discussion until you read the thread again then post a question minus the lies | |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 1,250 Reputation: 595 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Japan Way of Life: Atheist | Quote:
Now please be civil. I have not been rude to you and i expect the same. | |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 549 Reputation: 419 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Way of Life: Undisclosed | You havent pointed anything noteworthy. You are indeed twisting the facts stated and have posted nothing but intellectually unethical and deceptive waffles. |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 1,250 Reputation: 595 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Japan Way of Life: Atheist | Prophet Mohummed says "If a fly falls into one of your containers [of food or drink], immerse it completely (falyaghmis-hu kullahu) before removing it, for under one of its wings there is venom and under another there is its antidote. " now how am i reading or twisting these words? The prophet is said to have said that if a fly falls into a food or drink you should immerse it completely. and he then says that under onewing is venom and one the antidote. Is this true? No it is not. Scientific prediction? No. If you care to explain how I am twisting the words please do. But I am not lying as you have accused me of doing. I am just pointing out the flaws in your arguments and logic. |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 549 Reputation: 419 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Way of Life: Undisclosed | Quote:
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| choc addict Status: Offline Posts: 1,140 Reputation: 5164 Rep Power: 28 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Maldives Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
its been proven true by science now... that's what this whole thread is about.. lYeSh | |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 1,250 Reputation: 595 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Japan Way of Life: Atheist | Quote:
Many creatures carry pathogens and "antidotes" Now one of my problems with the article isthat the verse says specifically on one wing this and the other that. Which is not true. The verse would also lead someone to believe that a fly could poison you and in turn cure you. This also isnt true. Now lets just take the fly idea and put it to more realistic means. Lets say if you were living back in the days of Muhammad "cool experience if you ask me" and you had many flies infecting your food would his advices work. Lets say thatthe flies have actually contanimated your food with some sort fo pathogen would taking the flies and dunking them in the food then make the food safe to drink or eat? No it wouldnt. | |
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| Yes I am Grouchy! Status: Offline Posts: 7,856 Reputation: 52963 Rep Power: 88 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In the Rictus of Revenge Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | The same way using a Live attenuated vaccine from the disease-causing organism -- can help mount an immune response in the host receiving it... and yet in contrast in an immuno-compromised person can actually again turn virulent... Unless you have studied this area in depth I suggest you not make any random assumptions and pass them as facts...
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| choc addict Status: Offline Posts: 1,140 Reputation: 5164 Rep Power: 28 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Maldives Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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yea so the flies contaminated the food one day.. and we dunked the fly back to food and would it be safe to drink or eat? like u just said no it wouldnt.. i'll just say "YES! IT WOULD!" lYeSh | |||
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| LI Addict Status: Offline Posts: 2,168 Reputation: 4111 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Feb 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Buddhist | Quote:
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Or in other words, while using scientific techniques to extract antibiotics from flies may be smart, dunking them in your food or drink is not. The saying is therefore likely to be either a metaphor, or an old-wives tale from the Prophet's time, not a "miracle". The fly is now trumpeted but nobody mentions the numerous "medical" references in hadith that are absurd, such as claiming no disease is contagious, that drinking camel urine for medicinal purposes is a good idea or that black cumin seeds can cure anything. It is that selectivity which is "intellectually unethical and deceptive"... or at least it would be if it were a purely scientific matter. It isn't, of course, it's a faith-based matter with a dollop of science that with insufficient care can be confused with the real thing. Seeking agreement is therefore pretty futile, those who 'believe' will see this as a 'proof' just like those equally tenuous 'proofs' related to embryos, the shape of the earth etc, etc, while anybody else will see it as an interesting coincidence at most. | |||
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| Extremophile Status: Offline Posts: 6,656 Reputation: 24504 Rep Power: 57 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swimming with thermus aquaticus in Yellowstone National Park Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Rubbish. That hadith is referring to that fact that no matter how contagious a disease is, if Allah does not wish for a person to catch it, he/she won't.
__________________There are many other hadiths that refer to contagious diseases, such as the prophet forbidding people to leave a city that has a disease spreading through it to prevent it from reaching other places, and also forbidding people from entering places where their is a contagious disease spreading amongst the people. ![]() |
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