We created you, so why do you not confirm the truth? Have you thought about the sperm that you ejaculate? Is it you who create it or are We the Creator? (Qur'an, 56: 57-59)

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Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

and still not satisfactory for you?

Why should it be?! You have absolutely no idea whether the place was remembered 1400 years ago in myth or memory through those Bedouin tales (which are still around, apparently). It is not up to me to prove it was, which is just as impossible as proving it wasn't. To me it seems very likely it was, hence the inclusion in the Qur'an which just reproduces those folk tales and legends that for all we know were common among those who sat around a fire watching their sheep and telling such tales. The Greeks were telling stories about Troy 1400 years after the Trojan War (if there was one) - do you think they had all read Homer?! If those towers were such a distinguishing feature, they would of course be included in the legend.

Whatever tickles your fancy.... you want to explain away every finding in the entire book in favor for butter statues of Buddha, then by all means don't let me stop you...
peace

Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

Whatever tickles your fancy....

This tickled it....

Space images taken by NASA reveal a mysterious ancient bridge in the Palk Strait between India and Sri Lanka. The recently discovered bridge currently named as Adam's Bridge is made of chain of shoals, c.18 mi (30 km) long.

The bridge's unique curvature and composition by age reveals that it is man made. The legends as well as Archeological studies reveal that the first signs of human inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to the a primitive age, about 1,750,000 years ago and the bridge's age is also almost equivalent.
This information is a crucial aspect for an insight into the mysterious legend called Ramayana, which was supposed to have taken place in treta yuga (more than 1,700,000 years ago).
In this epic, there is a mentioning about a bridge, which was built between Rameshwaram (India) and Srilankan coast under the supervision of a dynamic and invincible figure called Rama who is supposed to be the incarnation of the supreme.

This information may not be of much importance to the archeologists who are interested in exploring the origins of man, but it is sure to open the spiritual gates of the people of the world to have come to know an ancient history linked to the Indian mythology.

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Rather puts those lost cities in perspective, hmm ? The Ramayana was first written down around 300 BCE.

Originally Posted by doorster

troll alert! he has need to win. show charity and let him sister

I honestly was going to anyway.. had a long day and was supposed to take my leave of absence from this forum some time last Sunday.. it just sucks me in like a vortex.

وَدَّ كَثِيرٌ مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ لَوْ يَرُدُّونَكُم مِّن بَعْدِ إِيمَانِكُمْ كُفَّاراً حَسَدًا مِّنْ عِندِ أَنفُسِهِم مِّن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُمُ الْحَقُّ فَاعْفُواْ وَاصْفَحُواْ حَتَّى يَأْتِيَ اللّهُ بِأَمْرِهِ إِنَّ اللّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ {

So I am not bothered akhi

Tsk, tsk. No comments about what must have been an amazing divine revelation? How could those early Sanskrit writers have possibly have known about this when modern science in the form of the shuttle has only just discovered it? It couldn't be just "ancient history linked to the Indian mythology".. even if the Hare Krishnas, of all people, think it might be? Could it?

With far too many of these so-called miracles the human factor is dismissed in favour of divine intervention far too easily.

Originally Posted by Trumble

Tsk, tsk. No comments about what must have been an amazing divine revelation? How could those early Sanskrit writers have possibly have known about this when modern science in the form of the shuttle has only just discovered it? It couldn't be just "ancient history linked to the Indian mythology".. even if the Hare Krishnas, of all people, think it might be? Could it?

With far too many of these so-called miracles the human factor is dismissed in favour of divine intervention far too easily.

They have to dismiss the human factor or they cant go cool look god did it...

Originally Posted by ranma1/2

They have to dismiss the human factor or they cant go cool look god did it...

Not really. You make it sound clinical and deliberate and it really isn't. The atheistic element can be just as prone to the same thing in reverse (go read John Dawkins!)

For many of the islamic 'scientific miracles' there is certainly a case for presenting them as just that, miracles; as representing knowledge that could not possibly have been known in Mohammed's day or at the very least could not have been known to him. Most are very interesting to ponder and cannot be totally dismissed.

Likewise, there is always a case why they may not be 'miracles'. This seems to fall into two types, either those where the knowledge supposedly 'unknowable' was probably nothing of the sort, or those where the verse concerned requires so much 'interpretation' if examined objectively that one or more alternatives, often much more plausible in the context concerned, are rejected far quicker than they should be.

If there were indeed any 'proof' either way most rational people would accept it. But there is none no matter how many times both atheists and theists type the word. Evidence, yes, and how convincing you find points raised on one side or the other is, like most things, pretty much conditioned by the 'belief' position you had to start with. But proof, none. As I keep saying it's all a matter of faith, not proof. And there really isn't anything wrong with that. Personally I find a good faith-based argument, particularly one based around excellent moral and spiritual teachings, far more impressive than dodgy 'scientific' parallels.

Originally Posted by ranma1/2

They have to dismiss the human factor or they cant go cool look god did it...

so, you don't want to quote me this verses .. that you talking about and said:Yes and it's wrong many many times ....!

I think that it's from retardation to give decision like this with out proof.

Originally Posted by mariam.

so, you don't want to quote me this verses .. that you talking about and said:Yes and it's wrong many many times ....!

I think that it's from retardation to give decision like this with out proof.

Well i was hoping ot expect more from you but with you insulting me with the retarded comments I guess i was wrong.

All I am conserned about is what we have discussed so far. We can talk in another thread about other verses.

Originally Posted by ranma1/2

Well i was hoping ot expect more from you but with you insulting me with the retarded comments I guess i was wrong.

All I am conserned about is what we have discussed so far. We can talk in another thread about other verses.

Hi, first I did'nt intend to make you understand my said like an insult.

Only I want to criticise your deed, how you can said some thing Like that about our Holy book with out any proof then, you can't eccept my said about you?

we can discuss about this verses On my thread The miracle of human creation ... Iam waiting for your response.

take care.

Originally Posted by Trumble

This tickled it....





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Rather puts those lost cities in perspective, hmm ? The Ramayana was first written down around 300 BCE.

Fancy shancy. But I am very skeptic and I do not let looks blind me.

The bridge is visible. Even if it was constructed millions of years ago, it was visible to the eyes in 300 BC when Ramayana was supposedly written.

Quran mentions a city which was not known to the Arabs as it was not visible to them and in reality existed but only under the ground.

A different set of skills required for accurately mentioning a city which is invisible and mentioning bridge which is visible and probably used by fishermen.

Originally Posted by Trumble

This tickled it....





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Rather puts those lost cities in perspective, hmm ? The Ramayana was first written down around 300 BCE.

Fancy shancy. But I am very skeptic and I do not let looks blind me.

The bridge is visible. Even if it was constructed millions of years ago, it was visible to the eyes in 300 BC when Ramayana was supposedly written.

Quran mentions a city which was not known to the Arabs as it was not visible to them and in reality existed but only under the ground.

A different set of skills is required for accurately mentioning a city which is invisible and mentioning bridge which is visible and probably used by fishermen.

Originally Posted by Trumble

This tickled it....





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Rather puts those lost cities in perspective, hmm ? The Ramayana was first written down around 300 BCE.

Fancy shancy. But I am very skeptic and I do not let looks blind me.

The bridge is visible. Even if it was constructed millions of years ago, it was visible to the eyes in 300 BC when Ramayana was supposedly written.

Quran mentions a city which was not known to the Arabs as it was not visible to them and in reality existed but only under the ground.

A different set of skills is required for accurately mentioning a city which is invisible and mentioning bridge which is visible and probably used by fishermen.

@ mad_scientist: Uhh, you repeated the same post thrice.