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    Default Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer

    I want to make a small clarification here:
    name "Tatar" does not refer to muslim Turkic-speakers, it refers to east asian mongol invaders.
    There is a historical injustice concerning Volga's Bulgar people and Crimeans (Qirimlis), where they are being misnamed as "tatars" by russians. Name "Tatar" means "another" or "different" in Kipchak (Western Turkic) languages. It was used towards mongoloid asian invaders, NOT towards Turkic peoples.

    As an ethnic Kazakh I know this mongol/turk confusion and I know the injustice it brings with itself. My Kazakh nation suffered much during mongol invasion - it was a massive attack at Muslim Turkic-speakers, including great Muslim states of Volga Bulgaria, Chorasmian Empire and Karakhanide state. The sad result of mongol, as well as dzungar (western mongol) invasions is that 2/3 of Kazakhs today have distant mongolian relatives and are being classified as mongoloids; and we are not. I studied anthropology and being an ethnic Kazakh I know how my people look like - we are caucasian (same as europeans, persians, arabs, indians, etc.) people, as most of Turkic peoples in the world.

    I address this issue because many turanists/pan-turkists are known to assault our heritage by grouping us with non-muslim mongols, native americans and anyone who lives in northern hemisphere, outside of Europe.
    Genghis-khan was an evil man, he was a pagan.
    My nation still suffers from Chingizid tyranny, our history is being lied, islam is being taken out of our minds, and replaced with some mongol-"altaic"-shamanistic nonsense.

    Completely anti-islamic, anti-Turkic propaganda.

    "Tatar invasion" was an invasion by pagan mongols, who burned and destroyed muslim, Turkic, Persian, Arab, Indian and other cities.
    A horrible event in our history, may Allah protect us from such monsters as Genghis.

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    Default Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer

    Great post Jazaka Allah khyran..
    I think the confusion is because the grandson of Genghis I believe converted to Islam and mixed in with the culture..

    and Allah swt knows best


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    Default Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Santoku View Post
    Vlad Tepes, was indeed a bbrutal man, but then the armies of Islam did invadehis country and he and his brother Radu (the handsome) were held hostages for many years during their childhood by the invading muslims where they treated them very badly. So unpleasant as he was it was a form of payback,there is no record that I have found of him bathing in blood, nor was this a part of the story told by an enthusiastically blood thirsty tour guide when I visited Wallachia to see his castle, perhaps you are thinking of Erzabet Bathory who was in the habit of bathing in the blood of virgins, initially peasants but later nobles for which she was walled up in her own castle. Vlad did however make a habit of impaling his enemiesandused to eat his meals surrounded by the dead and dying.
    I would like to know what the muslims did and who told you or where you got it from?


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    Default Re: A Descriptive Record of the Tatar Invasion of Muslim lands - Ibn al-Atheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    Great post Jazaka Allah khyran..
    I think the confusion is because the grandson of Genghis I believe converted to Islam and mixed in with the culture..

    and Allah swt knows best


    Exactly, it was the grandson who converted to Islam and fought against khan's armies and was victorious.

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