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Usayd · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-06-2008

If following the sunnah is not optional, do you ride a camel to work?

Güven · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Usayd

If following the sunnah is not optional, do you ride a camel to work?

Lol

Scents of Jannah · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-09-2008

asalam alaikum wr wb,

Riding a camel has no benefits except that it was a means of conveyance in those times and suited to the climate - neither did the Prophet (PBUH) say we should ride a camel. But he did tell muslims to keep the beard and trim the mouch. The Quran says that the Prophet said nothing from himself but everything he said was divinely inspired. Therefore if the Prophet said to keep the beard then that is what Allah wants muslims to do.

The beard is also a badge of a muslim male. Muslims are supposed to greet each other by saying salam. How can we tell if a clean-shaven man is muslim or not? We can't. The doubt is enough to stop one from saying salam. So the one benefit of having beard is immeditely apparent from this. See how this one sunnah is intricately linked with another.

People will do what they will, but remember that by leaving one sunnah out you are jeopardizing another.

wa alaikum asalam wr wb.

- Serene - · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-09-2008

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Sorry to say I really did not like that poem.

A beard is not a priority for a Muslim man, it is a sunnah which means it is optional. I am far greater concerned by the fact that so many of us fail to uphold the basics of our faith (praying daily, the 5 pillars etc) than the fact that some Muslim men choose not to wear a beard. Furthermore, the fact that this is written by a sister 'telling men to have a beard' is quite frightful. If a man were to write a rant at sisters to wear hijab, im sure there would be an outcry. It's a lot easier to judge others than to hold ourselves to account.

I have a beard but it doesn't make me any better a Muslim. Allah looks not at how you look, but what is in your heart. I know that doesn't mean you can just be immodest in your appearance, but it sure does say a lot about getting your priorities right.

Yo bo

A beard is WAAJIB

- Serene - · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Usayd

If following the sunnah is not optional, do you ride a camel to work?

Dont kill it.

**aamirsaab** · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-09-2008

My beard makes me look like the human reincarnation of snarf from thundercats.

Inshallah, It will, with a little shaving, look proper. Sort of like prince of persia style.

Al-Zaara · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis

The beard is also a badge of a muslim male. Muslims are supposed to greet each other by saying salam. How can we tell if a clean-shaven man is muslim or not? We can't. The doubt is enough to stop one from saying salam. So the one benefit of having beard is immeditely apparent from this. See how this one sunnah is intricately linked with another.

The funny thing about this is that many non Muslims aswell tend to have a beard, many Jews have and for example those funny hippies I see daily have too. Real Sheikh-like beards.

They usually dress like any other, sometimes even quite Islamic, and based on the fact they've got a beard would you say salam? :giggle: This is a dilemma some might find, innit.

truemuslim · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by aamirsaab

My beard makes me look like the human reincarnation of snarf from thundercats.

Inshallah, It will, with a little shaving, look proper. Sort of like prince of persia style.

HAHAHAHAAA LoooooOLLL BROTher u crack me up!!! Looooooooooooll hehe

@ topic...

Beard is Waajib people
Just like hijab (dont even try debating plz!!)
Beard is just like hijab
sistas wher hijab
and brothers wear ...i mean grow a beard
not that hard to understand ...

plus is it gna kill ya?

oh and @ whoevr posted the thin bout camels..riding camels is not a waajib.

Jazakallah khair
WaSalaam

IbnAbdulHakim · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-09-2008

bro usayd you are now obligated to prove that its sunnah.

here is my proof of it being wajib

http://www.islamicboard.com/miscella...ing-beard.html (Virtues of Growing the Beard)

http://www.readislamicbooks.com/idx....-is-Wajib.html

^ this proves it to be waajib!

MustafaMc · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-10-2008

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Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis

The beard is also a badge of a muslim male. Muslims are supposed to greet each other by saying salam. How can we tell if a clean-shaven man is muslim or not? We can't. The doubt is enough to stop one from saying salam. So the one benefit of having beard is immeditely apparent from this. See how this one sunnah is intricately linked with another.

I live in an area where there are very few Muslims. On the rare occasion that I see a hijabi Muslimah in a marketplace or when I am traveling it brings joy to my heart to see such courage and strength of faith. Right or wrong, I very often extend the Islamic greeting to sisters-in-faith when I have the chance. My wife and I actually met a very dear Muslim family from Turkey at a carnival for kids in this very manner.

Sadly, not enough brothers follow the Sunnah of wearing a beard such that a man with a beard and short mustache is assumed to be Muslim. Actually, where I live there are quite a few Mennonite Christians who religiously wear a beard. http://bibleviews.com/holdeman.html "In addition to simplicity in dress, we believe men should wear a beard, and Christian women should wear the devotional head-covering."

Usayd · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-11-2008

Firstly I'd like to say that on matters where there are difference of opinion, it is better not to state the opinion you follow as though it is 'the only way'. This is what creates unnecessary disputes between muslims that are now so very rife. It is better to accept the difference as a positive diversity within Islam.

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The two sources of the Shari`ah - the Qur'an and the Sunnah - are silent as far as the matter of beard is concerned....

There are however, a few narratives of the Prophet (pbuh) in this regard. The directives in these narratives refer to particular and specific contexts. For instance, if the Prophet (pbuh) saw some deviances in this nature of man or where a particular style of beard was wrongly held to be divinely ordained, the Prophet (pbuh) gave the ascribed remarks to correct the concept. It is primarily in such contexts that the Prophet (pbuh) gave the ascribed directives regarding beard. It is not the Shari`ah that is explained in such narratives, but the directive to adhere to the nature on which God has created man. It should be remembered that one of the primary teachings of the prophets of is to bring man to the path that his nature has prescribed for him....

Nevertheless, because the issue is not one based on any express directives of the Shari`ah, there can be a difference of opinion in this regard.

Anyway, I don't think this is worthy of lengthy discussion, rather I would say that the priority of a beard in relation to other Islamic practise (such as the behaviour and character of a Muslim) is not high. Again I would emphasise the fact that it is extremely wrong for one to judge another Muslim on such factors.

Those who are making a comparison between the beard and the hijab are wrong, as the Hijab (for male and female) is mentioned in the Qur'an and is part of Shari'ah but the beard is a matter of narration where no direct ruling is given.

MustafaMc · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-11-2008

Which parts of the hadiths quoted below do you think are "my opinion"?

http://muttaqun.com/beard.html

Beard
According to Quran and Sunnah
WWW.MUTTAQUN.COM

Hadith - Bukhari 7:781, Narrated Ibn 'Umar

Allah's Apostle

said, "Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard (as it is)."

Hadith - Muslim, Narrated AbuHurayrah

The Messenger of Allah

said: Trim closely the moustache, and grow beard, and thus act against the fire-worshippers.

Hadith - Bukhari 9:651, Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri
The Prophet

said, "There will emerge from the East some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible)." The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving (of their beards)." (Fateh Al-Bari, Page 322, Vol. 17th)

Hadith - Muwatta 51.7
Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam that Ata ibn Yasar told him that the Messenger of Allah

was in the mosque when a man came in with dishevelled hair and beard. The Messenger of Allah

motioned with his hand that he should be sent out to groom his hair and beard. The man did so and then returned. The Messenger of Allah

said, "Isn't this better than that one of you should come with his head dishevelled, as if he were a shaytan?"

IbnAbdulHakim · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Usayd

Those who are making a comparison between the beard and the hijab are wrong, as the Hijab (for male and female) is mentioned in the Qur'an and is part of Shari'ah but the beard is a matter of narration where no direct ruling is given.

i urge you to look into what all four madhaahibs and most respected ulaama of the past said in regards to this.

and then if you still come to the same conclusion then laa hawla wa laa quwwata illah billah...

Usayd · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

i urge you to look into what all four madhaahibs and most respected ulaama of the past said in regards to this.

and then if you still come to the same conclusion then laa hawla wa laa quwwata illah billah...

Please, don't say things like that without reason. It's called over-reacting

IbnAbdulHakim · **Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - -** 05-11-2008

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Please, don't say things like that without reason. It's called over-reacting

lol i dont see where ive over-reacted

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Usayd Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 38 Reputation: 144 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - - 05-06-2008 If following the sunnah is not optional, do you ride a camel to work?

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Scents of Jannah I am nothing Status: Offline Posts: 4,380 Reputation: 16714 Rep Power: 45 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Treat every non muslim like a potential muslim :) Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - - 05-09-2008 asalam alaikum wr wb, Riding a camel has no benefits except that it was a means of conveyance in those times and suited to the climate - neither did the Prophet (PBUH) say we should ride a camel. But he did tell muslims to keep the beard and trim the mouch. The Quran says that the Prophet said nothing from himself but everything he said was divinely inspired. Therefore if the Prophet said to keep the beard then that is what Allah wants muslims to do. The beard is also a badge of a muslim male. Muslims are supposed to greet each other by saying salam. How can we tell if a clean-shaven man is muslim or not? We can't. The doubt is enough to stop one from saying salam. So the one benefit of having beard is immeditely apparent from this. See how this one sunnah is intricately linked with another. People will do what they will, but remember that by leaving one sunnah out you are jeopardizing another. wa alaikum asalam wr wb. __________________ Jannah is only two steps away. Put one foot on your nafs and the other one will take you to Jannah. InshaAllah. Important plz read: May Allah grant Muslimah_Sis & her son, success in this world and the Akhirah. Ameen. lololol JazakAllah khair & same to you

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IbnAbdulHakim iM HackeD!-!-!-! Status: Offline Posts: 14,142 Reputation: 41137 Rep Power: 80 Join Date: Feb 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - - 05-09-2008 bro usayd you are now obligated to prove that its sunnah. here is my proof of it being wajib http://www.islamicboard.com/miscella...ing-beard.html (Virtues of Growing the Beard) http://www.readislamicbooks.com/idx....-is-Wajib.html ^ this proves it to be waajib! __________________ iDawah.com Bringing Dawah back..to the future! Shaqiq bin `Abdullah reported: The Companions of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) did not consider the abandonment of any action as disbelief except neglecting Salat. [At-Tirmidhi]

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MustafaMc LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 1,168 Reputation: 5383 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Dec 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: - (((Calling))) Beardless Bros - - 05-11-2008 Which parts of the hadiths quoted below do you think are "my opinion"? http://muttaqun.com/beard.html Beard According to Quran and Sunnah *WWW.MUTTAQUN.COM* *Hadith - Bukhari 7:781, Narrated Ibn 'Umar* Allah's Apostle said, "Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard (as it is)." *Hadith - Muslim, Narrated AbuHurayrah* The Messenger of Allah said: Trim closely the moustache, and grow beard, and thus act against the fire-worshippers. *Hadith - Bukhari 9:651, Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri* The Prophet said, "There will emerge from the East some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible)." The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving (of their beards)." (Fateh Al-Bari, Page 322, Vol. 17th) *Hadith - Muwatta 51.7* Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam that Ata ibn Yasar told him that the Messenger of Allah was in the mosque when a man came in with dishevelled hair and beard. The Messenger of Allah motioned with his hand that he should be sent out to groom his hair and beard. The man did so and then returned. The Messenger of Allah said, "Isn't this better than that one of you should come with his head dishevelled, as if he were a shaytan?"