Aleykum selam we rahmetallahu we berekathu,

May I ask brother Saifur-Rahmaan, what was your basis to name these four Maliki scholars the 4 most famous? Who has stated that those 4 are the 4 most famous?

Wa 'alaikum salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

Sheikh Saalih as-Suhaymee (hafidhahullaah) mentions in his talk on the Aqeedah of Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawaani, that the for most famous 'ulamaa from the Maalikiyyah, who were known for spreading and teaching the aqeedah and manhaj of the salaf were:

1. Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawaani (d.386H)
2. Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (d.463H)
3. Abu ‘Umar at-Talamankee (d.429H)
4. Ibn Abi Zamaneen (d.399H)

This is obviously not to say that there werent other scholars of the same calibre.

Wallaahu A'lam.

Oh OK , It WAS a Real Diffucult Question , But atleast we Tried

No, of course not. I just wanted the source. And jazakAllah kheyr!!
Very nice question, for it's been a time since I read something about the Maliki madhab or its scholars. Huge jazakAllah kheyr!

Now are we Members suppoused to ask the next question or is it still the Leaders' turn, because we didn't manage to answer the question correctly?

Yep This Question Has Learned Me Much About The Maliki Madhab , Realy Good Question

Barak'Allaah feeki,

errrm I think you guys can give a question now. btw i think the Staff team get a point

We feek. Yes, I re-read the rules, we didn't answer right so you'll get 1 point. But we did answer something, meaning we are to ask the next question now. InshaAllah, we'll soon come up with a good one.

next question: What is raum in tajweed and what are the conditions, reasons and benefits plus what are the dif between raum and ikhtilaas? List three differences

Bismillaah ... on behalf of the staff team:

The linguistic meaning of ‘Raum’ is ‘The request’. The tajweed definition is the weakening of the sound with a vowel until most of its sound disappears with that weakening. It is also defined as using part of a vowel.

The scholars have determined that the weakening of the sound with a vowel, or reciting with part of a vowel is one third when stopping with ‘Raum’. More is removed from the vowel than that which remains when reciting with ‘Raum’. The sound is weakened due to the shortening of its time.

Stopping with ‘Raum’ can be on:
• dhammah of conjugated and fixed dhammahs.
• kasrah of conjugated and fixed kasrahs.

It does not matter if the letter stopped on is with or without a shaddah, whether the last letter is a hamzah or not, or whether it is a tanween or not.

If there is a tanween however, it must not:
• "Maftoohah"; meaning it must not have a fat-ha.
• “Ism Maqsoorah”; (a word with a tanween ending with alif maqsoora).

*The tanween in both of these cases is changed into an alif when stopping.

*‘Raum’ cannot be on a fat-ha whether it is conjugated or fixed and it also cannot be on a presented kasrah or dhammah put on a letter to get rid of the occurrence of two saakin letters juxtaposed.

Sheikh Ash-Shatabee described ‘Raum’ as:
• “And your ‘Raum’ is listening to your vowel when stopping”.
• “With a hidden sound every close one {can hear}”.

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3 differences between 'Raum' and 'Ikhtilaas' are:

‘Raum’:
• 1/3 of the vowel is used. The amount of vowel that went is more than what remains.
• It can only be when stopping at the end of a word.
• Can only be in fixed dhammah and kasrah (not presented) vowels.

‘Ikhtilaas’:
• 2/3 of the vowel remains. The amount of vowel that remains is more than what has left.
• Not when stopping at the end of a word; but can be at the end when continuing or in the middle of a word.
• Can be in all three vowels, conjugated or not.

JazakAllah khayran that's all correct mashaAllah!!!

You have explained all the conditions but still need to give the reasons and benefits of raum

Selam aleykum, everyone

The Staff team wasn't able to answer the whole question (the above parts were left unanswered) in time and therefor one point goes to the Members team, inshaAllah.

Bismillaah, on behalf of the Members Team

The answer:

Raum is only done with words ending in original kasra and damma but not fat7a (as you stated) the Reason is because kasra is the strongest 7araka and then damma is next while fat7a is the weakest.

With Raum the sound is weakened since you cancel 2/3rds of the 7araka, so if you tried to do this with fat7a it would disapear completely because it is already quite weak.

(This is the reason why Ikhtilaas can be applied with fat7a as well because only 1/3rd of the 7araka is cancelled)

The Benefits of Raum are that even though you are stopping (and whereas otherwise you would stop with sukoon with no indication of the final 7arakat) you are able to show the orginal 7arakat during Raum and this helps clarify the meaning. This is also the reason why Raum is not applied to presented 7arakat, as they have nothing to do with the meaning and only occur because of two saakins meeting iltiqaa' as-saaakinayn.

who's turn is it now?

The current score, is 2-2.

As the last question was left partially unanswered, and as per the new rules, the Members team, can either choose to ask another question, or allow the Staff team to ask.

JazakAllah Khayr.

On behalf of the members team this is the next q:

What do you say about:

A wise ,a dult ,and muslim man who is not ignorant and knew all the religion (Islamic) rules you gave him the Maitah (dead animals) as a gift, and he ate from it with out being hungry without being forced by necessity and he is not sining by doing this?

&

A wise ,a dult ,and muslim man who is not ignorant and knew all the religion (Islamic) rules prayed and never make Sujood and his prayer is right?