aaaaaaaaaaah u got there !!

Masha Allah :applaud:

now u deserve to gv the next question ;)

ok mashAllah *assumes its right*

which ayah in the Quran is refered to as AyatuSayf (The ayah of the sword) and why is it refered to it like that? (if you already know the answer give the other members abit of time)

errrrm don't remember :brother:

though read it there b4

mashaa Allah bro khaldun! spot on! man you guys are good at these mashaa Allah! the ayatusayf... hmmm havent heard of that one before... *thinking*

I am sorry for my oversight for missing the response. However, the reason I missed this since it was blended in the response to brother "zak."

Having said that I am very well aware of Ayah 2:144, however, I am afraid tht my post was misunderstood leading to answer the question with question. The Ayah 2:144 is the commnad to turn the face towards Ka'ba, while my question is about: utnil then since the advent of Islam while Muslims were facing Jerusalem. Let me repost my question, which is as follows:

After the advent of Islam or during the very early days of Islam, Muslims were facing the Jerusalem while performing the Salat. But there is no command in the Qur'an to face the Jerusalem for Salat.

So how that happened and why?

I hope that insha Allah this will clear up the previous misunderstanding.


Preacher

salam

Bro

U shud hv got tht post in the Introduce urself section on the forums Mainpage

The answer!



Wahy being of two kinds: Matluww- That, which is recited, and Ghayr-Matluww- that which is not recited. Wahy Matluww or the revelation that is recited is the name of the Glorious Qur’aan and/or is the Glorious Qur’aan. Its words and meanings are both from Allaah. And Wahy Ghayr-Matluww or that is not recited is the name of Hadeeth and/or Sunnah of the Rasul Allaah صلی الله عليه وسلم (the word of which are from Prophet Muhammad صلی الله عليه وسلم and the meanings of which is from Allaah.

Evidence of this {Wahy Ghayr Matluww} is found at many places in Glorious Qur’aan, that there were many other things that were taught to Prophet Muhammad صلی الله عليه وسلم by Allaah (SWT) through Wahy (Ghayr Matluww). I will only cite here one Ayaah i.e. 2:143 as proof (Also see 66:3 beside many others).

Surah Al-Baqarah 143

وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا وَمَا جَعَلْنَا الْقِبْلَةَ الَّتِي كُنْتَ عَلَيْهَا إِلَّا لِنَعْلَمَ مَنْ يَتَّبِعُ الرَّسُولَ مِمَّنْ يَنْقَلِبُ عَلَى عَقِبَيْهِ وَإِنْ كَانَتْ لَكَبِيرَةً إِلَّا عَلَى الَّذِينَ هَدَى اللَّهُ وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَانَكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَءُوفٌ رَحِيمٌ

Thus We have made you (true Muslims - real believers of Islâmic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his Sunnah (legal ways)), a just (and the best) nation, that you be witnesses over mankind {1} and the Messenger Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم be a witness over you. And We made the Qiblah (prayer direction towards Jerusalem), which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم from those who would turn on their heels (i.e. disobey the Messenger). Indeed it was great (heavy) except for those whom Allâh guided. And Allâh would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e. your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, Allâh is full of Kindness, the Most Merciful towards mankind.

{1} (V.2: 143) Narrated Abu Sa‘îd Al-Khudrî رضي الله عنه: Allâh’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم said "Nûh will be called on the Day of Resurrection and he will say, ‘ Labbaik and Sa’daik, (I respond to Your Call and I am obedient to Your Orders) O my Lord! Allâh will say, ‘Did you convey Our Message of Islâmic Monotheism?’ Nûh will say, ‘Yes’. His nation will then be asked, ‘Did he convey Our Message of Islâmic Monotheism to you?’ They will say, ‘No warner came to us.’ Then Allâh will say (to Nûh), ‘Who will bear witness in your favor?’ He will say, ‘Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his followers.’ So they (i.e., Muslims) will testify that he conveyed the Message - and the Messenger Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم will be a witness over you, and that is what is meant by the Statement of Allâh عز وجل: We made you (true Muslims - real believers of Islâmic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his Sunnah (legal ways)) a just (and the best) nation that you be witnesses over mankind and the Messenger Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم will be a witness over you." (Sahih Al-Bukhâri, Vol.6, Hadîth No.14).

Muslims were facing the Baytal-Maqqadis (Jerusalem) while performing Salaat in the early day of Islaam. The above Ayaah was revealed when it was ordained to face Ka’abah again. This Ayaah states that previous order of Allaah to face “Baytal-Maqqadis” was test to know who obey the order and who reject it. Readers must note that the order to face Baytal-Maqqadis during worship has been attributed by Allaah to Himself. That means that He was the One Who had commanded His Messenger Muhammad صلی الله عليه وسلم to the direction of Baytal-Maqqadis. But the command itself is not found anywhere in the Glorious Qur’aan. It is obviously clear that this order was given by Allaah through a Wahy (Ghayr Matluww){revelation beside Glorious Qur’aan}, which is not a part of the Glorious Qur’aan. At this point we must point out that people of the Book were foretold about the new Qibla i.e. Ka’bah and its superiority over Jerusalem in their Scripture.
Ka’abah and its superiority was foretold in the Bible!

Glorious Qur’aan has provided a comprehensive definition of Imaan ايمان in Ayaah 3 of Surah Al-Baqarah,

Surah Al-Baqarah 3

الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنْفِقُونَ

Who believe in the Ghaib {1} and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), {2} and spend out of what We have provided for them (i.e. give Zakât {3} , spend on themselves, their parents, their children, their wives, etc., and also give charity to the poor and also in Allâh’s Cause - Jihâd).

{1} (V.2: 3): Al-Ghaib: literally means a thing not seen. But this word includes vast meanings: Belief in Allâh, Angels, Holy Books, Allâh’s Messengers, Day of Resurrection and Al-Qadar (Divine Pre-ordainments). It also includes what Allâh and His Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم informed about the knowledge of the matters of past, present, and future e.g., news about the creation of the heavens and earth, botanical and zoological life, the news about the nations of the past, and about Paradise and Hell.

{2} (V.2: 3): Iqâmat-as-Salât إقامة الصلاة: The performance of Salât (prayers). It means that: a) Each and every Muslim, male or female, is obliged to offer his Salât (prayers) regularly five times a day at the specified times; the male in a mosque in congregation and the female at home. As the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم has said: "Order your children for Salât (prayers) at the age of seven and beat them (about it) at the age of ten." The chief (of a family, town, tribe, etc.) and the Muslim rulers of a country are held responsible before Allâh in case of non-fulfillment of this obligation by the Muslims under their authority. b) One must offer the Salât (prayers) as the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم used to offer them with all their rules and regulations, i.e., standing, bowing, prostrating, sitting, as he صلى الله عليه وسلم has said: "Offer your Salât (prayers) the way you see me offering them (see Sahih Al-Bukhâri, Vol.1, H. No. 604 and Vol.9, H. No. 352)." (For the characteristics of the Salât (prayer) of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم see Sahih Al-Bukhâri, Vol.1, H. No. 702, 703, 704, 723, 786, 787].

{3} (V.2: 3) Zakât زكاة: A certain fixed proportion of the wealth and of each and every kind of property liable to Zakât of a Muslim to be paid yearly for the benefit of the poor in the Muslim community. The payment of Zakât is obligatory as it is one of the five pillars of Islâm. Zakât is the major economic means for establishing social justice and leading the Muslim society to prosperity and security. (See Sahih Al- Bukhâri, Vol. 2, Book of Zakât, No. 24]

يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ ( Believe in the unseen) in the terminology of Islaamic Shariah, signifies accepting with complete certitude the statement made by Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم out of one’s total confidence and trust in him and without need of personal observation. The word Ghaib غيب lexically denotes things that are not known to man in an evident manner and/or which are not apprehensible through the five senses.

Excerpt
Proof: Hadeeth حديث rejecters are outside the fold of Islaam!

Related Points

1. The above facts does and will unequivocally refute Judeo-Christian claims that God spoke to Moses (PBUH) directly, but not to Muhammad (SAW), thus he is not a true prophet. Because Allah spoke to Prophet Muhammad (SAW) more than he spoke to Moses (PBUH). See..What a great difference there is between the TWO.

2. The above facts also impeach Hadith rejecters and proves that Hadith-e-Qudsi in fact are based on Allah's conversation with Prophet Muhammad (SAW), including the Ahadith as well.

3. The above facts also clears up the doubts of Muslims that we don't have such and such mentioned in the Qur'an, therefore, we cannot accept it. This kind of Muslims, despite of Qur'an thumper conveniently forget the Ayah 43:3


Preacher

mashaa Allah, thats a nice comprehensive answer bro preacher!

Bro Khaldun i dont know what ayah is refered to ayatusayf? any clues? does it mention the word sayf in the ayah? could it be this?
[61.4] Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way in ranks as if they were a firm and compact wall.

No the word "sayf" 'sword' isnt found in it, this ayah got its name because it cancelled out the previsous ayahs in the quran urging for "no jihad" (to put it roughly) I hope that has shed some light on it....i dont want to make it too easy loq

Is it this : Surah Nisaa, ayah 77 ? :

or this :
Surah Hajj ayah 39 ? :

very good attempt brother zAk, however the first ayah in surah nisa you gave is talking about the "issue" if you understand the ayah itself didnt legislate jihad.

As for the ayah in Hajj its even more specific mashAllah but its not the ayah "sayf"
i'll give one more hint inshAllah, this ayah when revealed broke all the treaties with the mushkrikeen....

ooooooh
is it the starting ayaahs of surah tawba ? ???


btw i haven't heard this thing AYATUS SAYF b4
where did U get it from ?

Give me an ayah so I either can confirm it or tell you if its wrong

and i got it from the tafseer alhamdulilah

the :
waAzaanun Minallahi waRasulihi.... one ?