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Eeman · **urgent help -** 08-28-2008

salam alaikum everyone i pray that this finds you in the best health and imaan...

i have a question which i would need some help with and someone to clarify please what is considered as fitnah between the sexes?

would much appreciate it if i could get some links to sources too...

is online talking allowed? on the phone? to get to know the bro before marriage cos apparently your intention is to get married and get to know each other since it is 2008 and time for us to be a little bit more modernised muslims?

well this is the discussion that a sister who is a friend of my sisters is having with me... trying to justify how it is allowed.

please help Jazak'Allah khair in advance may Allah swt multiply your rewards in abundance.

Eeman · **Re: urgent help -** 08-28-2008

ayan333 · **Re: urgent help -** 08-28-2008

sis idk wut to tell u...im ignorant when it comes to this topic..i jus know boys and girls dnt talk on the phone.hopefully someone can let us all know

:: Afifa :: · 11:54 AM

i think thier is sometihng like dat ..their is sometihng that you can see her face or sometihng...but im not sure

inshallah someone will know the proper answerr to it

Ramlah · **Re: urgent help -** 08-29-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeman

salam alaikum everyone i pray that this finds you in the best health and imaan...

i have a question which i would need some help with and someone to clarify please what is considered as fitnah between the sexes?

would much appreciate it if i could get some links to sources too...

is online talking allowed? on the phone? to get to know the bro before marriage cos apparently your intention is to get married and get to know each other since it is 2008 and time for us to be a little bit more modernised muslims?

well this is the discussion that a sister who is a friend of my sisters is having with me... trying to justify how it is allowed.

please help Jazak'Allah khair in advance may Allah swt multiply your rewards in abundance.

hope this helps

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Is it Permissible to Talk to ones Fiancée over the Telephone?

Answered by the Muhadith, the ‘Allaama, Shaykh of Hadeeth

Muhammad Nasr ud-Deen al-Albaani

Translated by Abbas Abu Yahya

This is a translation of the transcript of a question that was asked to Shaykh al-Albaani - May Allaah have mercy upon him.

Shaykh: Yes

Questioner: Assalamu alaykum

Shaykh: wa Alaykum Assalamu wa Rahmatullaahi wa Baraktuhu

Questioner: If you don't mind is the noble Shaykh al-Albaani there?

Shaykh: He's with you.

Questioner: Good, if you would allow me O Shaykh I have some questions to ask.

Shaykh: Go ahead.

Questioner: Is it permissible to talk to my fiancée over the phone?

Shaykh: have you contracted the marriage yet or not?

Questioner: not yet.

Shaykh: It's not permissible.

Questioner: Not permissible??

Shaykh: Not allowed.

Questioner: Even if it's for advice?

Shaykh: it's not permissible.

Questioner: ok is it permissible for me to visit her and sit with her if the Mahram is present?

Shaykh: with a Mahram being present and she comes in front of you wearing a Jilbaab in Hijab, like when she goes out, then it's allowed, otherwise no.

Questioner: is it possible for her to uncover her face?

Shaykh: it's possible, if it's only the face.

Questioner: only the face?

Shaykh: She shouldn't wear a beautified dress and a short dress etc.

Questioner: ok regarding sitting with her, what is permissible for me to talk to her about?

Shaykh: Do not talk to her except with what you would talk to with other than her.

Questioner: Ok if she asks me for a picture of me, is it ok to give it to her or not?

Shaykh: just like if you asked her for her picture.

Questioner: yes??

Shaykh: I said just like if you asked her for her picture.

Questioner: yeah.

Shaykh: Is it permissible?

Questioner: No.

Shaykh: and my answer is also no.

Questioner: your answer is no??

Shaykh: no, definitely no.

Questioner: about what??

Shaykh: About what! For the same thing what you said, that you cannot ask her for her picture.

Questioner: yeah.

Shaykh: understand?

Questioner: yeah, yes.

Shaykh: If you understand then stick to it.

Questioner: But O Shaykh sometimes a person is forced to phone her, is this permissible?

Shaykh: I don’t think there is a need, you want to marry her don’t you?

Questioner: For example, is it permissible to phone her for the possibility that I can visit her, at such and such time?

Shaykh: why do want to visit her?! What's the difference between her and any other woman?

Questioner: Do you mean it's not allowed to visit her?

Shaykh: O my brother, I say to you what's the difference between her and any other woman? Why do you want to visit her? You want to marry her; you marry her by requesting it from her guardian.

Questioner: If her guardian is present?

Shaykh: You want to marry her, you marry her by requesting her guardian, if there is an original agreement then you can visit her if the guardian is present, to see her and she sees you, as for visiting her then no!

Questioner: It's still not allowed to visit even after the engagement?

Shaykh: After the engagement?

Questioner: Yeah.

Shaykh: She remains to be a stranger to you O brother until you perform the marriage contract.

Questioner: Thank you, may Allaah reward you O Shaykh.

Shaykh: And you.

Questioner: May Allaah be generous to you.

Shaykh: May Allaah protect you… Sallamu alayk.

Questioner: Assalamu alaykum

Shaykh: Wa Alaykum Assalamu wa Rahmatullaahi wa Baraktuhu

AntiKarateKid · 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeman

salam alaikum everyone i pray that this finds you in the best health and imaan...

i have a question which i would need some help with and someone to clarify please what is considered as fitnah between the sexes?

would much appreciate it if i could get some links to sources too...

is online talking allowed? on the phone? to get to know the bro before marriage cos apparently your intention is to get married and get to know each other since it is 2008 and time for us to be a little bit more modernised muslims?

well this is the discussion that a sister who is a friend of my sisters is having with me... trying to justify how it is allowed.

please help Jazak'Allah khair in advance may Allah swt multiply your rewards in abundance.

Please talk to an imam about this if you are serious. Remember, in the end we are random people on a forum no matter how many things from the internet we cite ,it pays to double check.

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Eeman LI Oldtimer Status: Offline Posts: 613 Reputation: 2281 Rep Power: 5 Join Date: Jun 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	urgent help - 08-28-2008 salam alaikum everyone i pray that this finds you in the best health and imaan... i have a question which i would need some help with and someone to clarify please what is considered as fitnah between the sexes? would much appreciate it if i could get some links to sources too... is online talking allowed? on the phone? to get to know the bro before marriage cos apparently your intention is to get married and get to know each other since it is 2008 and time for us to be a little bit more modernised muslims? well this is the discussion that a sister who is a friend of my sisters is having with me... trying to justify how it is allowed. please help Jazak'Allah khair in advance may Allah swt multiply your rewards in abundance. __________________ I know that at times i may be annoying or mistaken when i say some things or it may unintentionally God forbid offend u & if that is the case then i sincerely apologise from the bottom of my heart & ask Allah swt's & ur forgiveness, so please do Insha'Allah forgive me and correct me.

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Eeman LI Oldtimer Status: Offline Posts: 613 Reputation: 2281 Rep Power: 5 Join Date: Jun 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: urgent help - 08-28-2008 __________________ I know that at times i may be annoying or mistaken when i say some things or it may unintentionally God forbid offend u & if that is the case then i sincerely apologise from the bottom of my heart & ask Allah swt's & ur forgiveness, so please do Insha'Allah forgive me and correct me.

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ayan333 LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 1,087 Reputation: 2533 Rep Power: 7 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: urgent help - 08-28-2008 sis idk wut to tell u...im ignorant when it comes to this topic..i jus know boys and girls dnt talk on the phone.hopefully someone can let us all know __________________ “When you pass by the meadows of Paradise indulge freely in it.” They said: “O Messeneger of Allah (saw) , what are the meadows of Paradise?” He replied: “The circles of knowlegde.”

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:: Afifa :: LI Oldtimer Status: Online Posts: 812 Reputation: 2646 Rep Power: 10 Join Date: Nov 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: urgent help - 08-28-2008 i think thier is sometihng like dat ..their is sometihng that you can see her face or sometihng...but im not sure inshallah someone will know the proper answerr to it __________________ ..Truly, the life of this world is nothing but a [quick passing] enjoyment, and verily, the Hereafter that is the home that will remain forever. (40:39) Last edited by :: Afifa ::; 08-29-2008 at 11:54 AM..