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Default Re: Chatting online with the opposite sex? - 06-05-2005

99% of the people who chat one on one on aim/msn cannot stick to the point. And its sad that some people chat because they think its halal and end up doing more fitnah.

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dont really have any fatwa but its plain obvious that talking online to nah mehram isnt allowed. Committing adultry of the hands. Its practically like talking to them by phone or even meeting up with them.

Adultery of the hands? Please explain.
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basically a sin on the hands as free mixing of men and women is forbidden in Islam.

People shouldnt even take down the opposite genders aim/msn details.

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Default Re: Chatting online with the opposite sex? - 06-05-2005

My question to everyone is what is so important that you have to talk to the opposite sex.

Here is one fatwa:
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Shaykh Ibn Jibreen (may Allaah preserve him) was asked: What is the ruling on correspondence between young men and women, if this correspondence is free from immorality and love?

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It is not permissible for any man to correspond with a woman who is not his mahram, because of the fitnah (temptation) involved in that. A person may think that there is no fitnah, but the Shaytaan will keep trying until he tempts him. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded those who heard of the Dajjaal to keep away from him, and said that a man may approach him as a believer, but the Dajjaal will keep trying until he leads him astray.

Correspondence between young men and women involves a great deal of fitnah and danger, so we must avoid it, even though the questioner says that this correspondence is free from immorality and love.

From Fataawa al-Mar’ah, compiled by Muhammad al-Musnad, p. 96.
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It is not permissible for any person to correspond with a woman who is not his mahram, because of the fitnah (temptation) involved in that. The person who is sending these letters may think that there is no fitnah involved, but the Shaytaan will keep at him until he tempts the man by means of the woman and vice versa.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded those who hear the Dajjaal to keep away from him, and he said that a man may come to him as a believer, but the Dajjaal will keep at him until he tempts him and leads him astray.

There is a great deal of temptation and danger in correspondence between young men and young women, so they must keep away from it, even though the questioner may say that there is no love involved.

Fataawa al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 2/578
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Default Re: Chatting online with the opposite sex? - 06-05-2005

And many people say that they chat for marriage. The fatwa for that is:

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Contact between lovers in improper and unlawful ways is a calamity and a real disaster. It is not permissible for the man to contact the woman in this case, or for the woman to contact the man. If he says that he wants to marry her, then he must tell her wali (guardian) that he wants to marry her, or she should tell her wali that she wants to marry him, as ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) did when he offered his daughter Hafsah in marriage to Abu Bakr and ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them).

But if the woman contacts the man directly, this is the source of fitnah (temptation).

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Default Re: Chatting online with the opposite sex? - 06-05-2005

I think the best evidence against it by using reverse psychology like the Prophet saaws.

Remember the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the one who came to him and asked him for permission to commit zina: “Would you like it for your mother?” He said: “No, by Allaah, may Allaah cause me to be sacrificed for you.” He said: “And people do not like it for their mothers.” He said: “Would you like it for your daughter?” He said: “No, by Allaah, O Messenger of Allaah, may Allaah cause me to be sacrificed for you.” He said: “And people do not like it for their daughters.” He said: “Would you like it for your sister?” He said: “No, by Allaah, may Allaah cause me to be sacrificed for you.” He said: “And people do not like it for their sisters.” He said, “Would you like it for your paternal aunt?” He said: “No, by Allaah, may Allaah cause me to be sacrificed for you.” He said: “And people do not like it for their paternal aunts.” He said, “Would you like it for your maternal aunt?” He said: “No, by Allaah, may Allaah cause me to be sacrificed for you.” He said: “And people do not like it for their maternal aunts.”
Narrated by Ahmad, 22265; classed as saheeh by Shaykh Shu’ayb al-Arnaa’oot in Tahqeeq al-Musnad.

So in this case if someone wants to chat ask them if they would let their sister, mother, aunt, etc chat also with a nonmahram.

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It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has decreed for every son of Adam his share of zina, which he will inevitably commit. The zina of the eyes is looking, the zina of the tongue is speaking, one may wish and desire, and the private parts confirm that or deny it.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5889; Muslim, 2657.
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Default Re: Chatting online with the opposite sex? - 06-05-2005

Evidences from the Quran and SUnnah against mingling

From the Holy Quran........

The Holy Quran Sura #24 An Nur, ayah # 30
Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.

The Holy Quran Sura #24 An Nur, ayah # 31
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male attendants free of sexual desires, or small children who have no carnal of women; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah in repentance, that ye may be successful.

The Holy Quran Sura Al-Ahzab ayah #33
"Stay in your houses and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance and offer prayer perfectly and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. "

The Holy Quran Sura Al-Ahzab ayah #53
"And when you ask them, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts"

From Sahih Hadith......

Sahih Bukhari and Agreed Upon by Imaam Muslim also can be found in Riyadh-Us-Saleheen (Arabic English) vol. 2 page 792 Hadith # 1622
Abu Huraurah (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) relates that Rasulullah(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said a man commits adultery with his eyes when he looks at a strange (non-Mahrum) woman"

Agreed upon by Tirmidhi, Ahmad and Abu Daud also can be found in Riyadh-Us-Saleheen (Arabic English) vol. 2 page 793 hadith #1626 also in the book The Muslim Woman (part 1) by Mufti Shaikh ul Hadith Ahmed E. Bemat
Umme-e-Salmah (Radhiallaahu Ánha) says that she abd Maimoonah (Radhiallaahu Ánha) were in the presence of the holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) when Abdullah ibn Umm-e-Maktum (Radhiallaahu Ánhu), who was BLIND, came there. the holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said "Go behind the curtain and screen yourself" Umme-e-Salmah said "O Prophet of Allah, he is Blind. At this the Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said "are you also blind? don't you see him?In the Tafseer of this Hadith from MUFTI Ahmed E. Bemat he writes .......If the holy wives of Rasulullah(saw) whom ALLAH(swt) himself had selected to be the spouses of His beloved Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) and who have had their purity announced in the Quran are still asked to go behind the curtain for a BLIND man, then how can our woman mix with men without any concern.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Hadith # 159: and Agreed Upon by Imaam Muslim also can be found in the book Islamic Hijab from the Jamiatul Ulama Junubi Africa, page #9
Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir (Radhiallaahu Ánhu): Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, "Beware of entering upon the ladies (mingling with them)." A man from the Ansar said, "Allah's Apostle! What about Al-Hamu the in-laws of the wife (the brothers of her husband or his nephews etc.)?" Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) replied: The in-laws of the wife are death itself.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Hadith # 160:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) : Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, "No man should stay with a lady in seclusion except in the presence of a Dhu-Muhram." A man stood up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! My wife has gone out intending to perform the Hajj and I have been enrolled (in the army) for such-and-such campaign." Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, "Return and perform the Hajj with your wife."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Hadith # 163:
Narrated 'Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha): Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) was screening me with his Rida' (garment covering the upper part of the body) while I was looking at the Ethiopians who were playing in the courtyard of the mosque. (I continued watching) till I was satisfied. So you may deduce from this event how a little girl (who has not reached the age of puberty) who is eager to enjoy amusement should be treated in this respect.SubhanAllah we should see from this hadith even though Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha) was only a little girl at the time and the Ethiopian dancers were far way still Rasulullah(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) SCREENED her.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Hadith # 164:
Narrated 'Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha): Once Sada bint Zam'a went out at night for some need, and 'Umar (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) saw her, and recognizing her, he said (to her), "By Allah, O Sada! You cannot hide yourself from us." So she returned to the Prophet and mentioned that to him while he was sitting in my dwelling taking his supper and holding a bone covered with meat in his hand. Then the Divine Inspiration was revealed to him and when that state was over, Rasullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) was saying: "O women! You have been allowed by Allah to go out only for your needs." This is why the Ullima say women should only leave there house in extreme need and that even with niqaab because a man shoud not be able to recognize her. So if we are not even supposed to be able to recognize women (after this ayah came) then how can we have parties with men and women mingling?


The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) categorically prohibited privacy between a man and a non related woman. He said,
"when a woman and man are alone Satan is the third." (Ahmad and al-Tirmidhi as being sahih)
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Two things, i am going to assume that we are talking about instant messaging, i.e msn messenger with the opposite sex. In that case i think we need a specific fatwa for instant messaging software for sake of accuracy.

And point two : Would you like your son or daughter speaking to the opposite sex online on msn or yahoo messenger?
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Default Re: Chatting online with the opposite sex? - 06-05-2005

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Enough spamming already!

The message is not going to be any clearer to people if you just keep posting fatwas on the subject is it? Think!
lol sorry brother, i was simply trying to help panislamist bro who asked for specific fatwas, as the topic is for the use of those who may need the fatwas or more info which will make the issue clearer!


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Two things, i am going to assume that we are talking about instant messaging, i.e msn messenger with the opposite sex. In that case i think we need a specific fatwa for instant messaging software for sake of accuracy.

And point two : Would you like your son or daughter speaking to the opposite sex online on msn or yahoo messenger?
1.i think there are ones near enuf to Instant messaging.
MEN AND WOMEN TALKING IN CHAT ROOMS:

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=e...&QR=34841&dgn=4

INTERNET RELATIONSHIPS:

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=e...&QR=21933&dgn=4

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Default Re: Interaction between Men and Women on the Internet – Some Guidelines - 06-16-2005

Assalamu'Alaykum

Mashallah, this is VERY good ..........Inshallah...we can becareful we may think its innocent but that just how shaytaan starts......
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Default Re: Interaction between Men and Women on the Internet – Some Guidelines - 06-16-2005

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I'm guessing that you should then cut down on using those smilies then sister. After all, by using all those smilies kind of shows your personallity to a certain extent to a male on the forum who in turn might get feelings for you. I'm sure that's not what you want do you?

I don't know about this, there's lots of people who say you shouldn't do this and that, but they end up doing it themsevles without realising.

Point number 3, I see that isn't being implemented by you in the General forum is it?

I'm not having a bash at you or anything, but just using you as an example. My intentions were not to hurt or judge you, but just to bring to your attention that we should be the first to act upon such things, and then tell others. Insha Allah may Allah guide us all.


No, I don't understand why anyone would judge you or think that you are bashing them when all you are trying to do is give them good advice like a good brother is supposed to do. mashallah thank you for your comments and your view on this mashallah i even had a very similar thinking to yours regarding this issue. I was doubting myself on wether i should use smileys or not and so then our ideas had collided and alhamdulilah i had got my answer.


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Default Re: Interaction between Men and Women on the Internet – Some Guidelines - 08-08-2005

Assalamu alaikum

This is a good article, and it needs to be read by all members InshaAllah.

May I point out that Gender Relations and freemixing is something we all have to avoid InshaAllah.

This also means when you are replying to the other gender in a post, you do not use humour and it is best to refrain from using "lol", "hehe" or "haha"

We have to bear in mind the following hadith..

It was reported in a saheeh hadeeth that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No man is alone with a (non-mahram) woman but the Shaytaan is the third one present.”

This also applies to the internet, in some cases more so.

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jazakallah khair..

thats something we should all ponder on.
   
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Asallama Alaikum just cause we're behind a screen doesn't really mean that we can't attract the opposite gender.Thanks for the reminder sis.Inshallah i'll refrain from free posting and using emoticons.Just when it's necessary.Salams
   
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Assalamu Alaikam,
Mashallah, great post!
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