Corn?

_salam_ · **Corn? -** 03-14-2005

Salam Alaikum brothers and sisters.
I have a question about a word in the Qur'an which I often see translated as corn, as in verse 12:43 for example.

"The king (of Egypt) said: 'I do see (in a vision) seven fat kine, whom seven lean ones devour, and seven green ears of corn, and seven (others) withered. O ye chiefs! Expound to me my vision if it be that ye can interpret visions.'"

Now as far as I know (unless I'm mistakin) corn was indigonious (sp?) to the Americas until the colonization of the Americas. So my question is, what is the word in Arabic that is being translated as corn? My guess is that the word has some other meanings, such as grain (in a general sense), and now holds the meaning of corn since the colonization of the Americas.

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · **Re: Corn? -** 03-14-2005

Wow. That's a good question. I've never come across that before.

Here's the verse:

43. And the king (of Egypt) said: "Verily, I saw (in a dream) seven fat cows, whom seven lean ones were devouring - and of seven green ears of corn, and (seven) others dry. O notables! Explain to me my dream, if it be that you can interpret dreams."

The word is sunbulatin. According to my dictionary, the word just means "ear" or "spike".

Also, keeping in mind what you said, the muslims at the time of the Prophet saws wouldn't have understood the verse as corn anyway! They didn't have corn. So their understanding would have been some kind of grain as you suggested.

Hope this helps.

_salam_ · **Re: Corn? -** 03-14-2005

Just as I suspected. Thanks brother Ansar.

Abdalla · **Re: Corn? -** 03-14-2005

Good i see the admin is doing his work, well done ansar

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · **Re: Corn? -** 03-14-2005

JazakAllah khair bro.

yoshiyahu · **Re: Corn? -** 03-14-2005

Ansar is correct. The Torah's reading of these events uses a similar Hebrew word, which is also translated as "corn", but means the same thing as the arabic word in the Qu'ran.

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · **Re: Corn? -** 03-15-2005

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Originally Posted by Abdalla

Good i see the admin is doing his work, well done ansar

Bro, can you empty your storage? I can't pm you.

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_salam_ Member Status: Offline Posts: 91 Reputation: 218 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Corn? - 03-14-2005 Salam Alaikum brothers and sisters. I have a question about a word in the Qur'an which I often see translated as corn, as in verse 12:43 for example. "The king (of Egypt) said: 'I do see (in a vision) seven fat kine, whom seven lean ones devour, and seven green ears of corn, and seven (others) withered. O ye chiefs! Expound to me my vision if it be that ye can interpret visions.'" Now as far as I know (unless I'm mistakin) corn was indigonious (sp?) to the Americas until the colonization of the Americas. So my question is, what is the word in Arabic that is being translated as corn? My guess is that the word has some other meanings, such as grain (in a general sense), and now holds the meaning of corn since the colonization of the Americas.

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Ansar Al-'Adl Administrator Status: Offline Posts: 5,161 Reputation: 13017 Rep Power: 45 Join Date: Dec 2004 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Corn? - 03-14-2005 Wow. That's a good question. I've never come across that before. Here's the verse: 43. And the king (of Egypt) said: "Verily, I saw (in a dream) seven fat cows, whom seven lean ones were devouring - and of seven green ears of corn, and (seven) others dry. O notables! Explain to me my dream, if it be that you can interpret dreams." The word is sunbulatin. According to my dictionary, the word just means "ear" or "spike". Also, keeping in mind what you said, the muslims at the time of the Prophet saws wouldn't have understood the verse as corn anyway! They didn't have corn. So their understanding would have been some kind of grain as you suggested. Hope this helps. __________________ The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik] Visit Ansâr Al-'Adl's personal page HERE. Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.

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_salam_ Member Status: Offline Posts: 91 Reputation: 218 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Corn? - 03-14-2005 Just as I suspected. Thanks brother Ansar.

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Abdalla LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 117 Reputation: 618 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: Dec 2004 Gender:	Re: Corn? - 03-14-2005 Good i see the admin is doing his work, well done ansar __________________ Say:"O Allah. Lord of Power (And Rule), Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power.

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Ansar Al-'Adl Administrator Status: Offline Posts: 5,161 Reputation: 13017 Rep Power: 45 Join Date: Dec 2004 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Corn? - 03-14-2005 JazakAllah khair bro. __________________ The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik] Visit Ansâr Al-'Adl's personal page HERE. Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.

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yoshiyahu LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 338 Reputation: 126 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic	Re: Corn? - 03-14-2005 Ansar is correct. The Torah's reading of these events uses a similar Hebrew word, which is also translated as "corn", but means the same thing as the arabic word in the Qu'ran. __________________ سلام - שלום