Children born out of wedloc

virago · **Children born out of wedloc -** 03-16-2006

Is there a hadith stating that children born out of wedlock will not enter Paradise?

Musaafir · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-16-2006

i'm not sure about the hadith regarding this situation..but surely the child is not to blame for their parents sins..so they must have an equal chance of entering paradise as everyone else, depending on their deeds..but Allah

knows best..

Scents of Jannah · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-16-2006

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Originally Posted by virago

Is there a hadith stating that children born out of wedlock will not enter Paradise?

Allah is fair and just to all His creation. He does not punish anyone for the sin's of another, let alone innocent children. To be aware of Allah's fairness, is to know the answer to such questions.

virago · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-16-2006

I asked this question because I recall reading a reference to such a hadith in a book by Ibn al-Qayyim.

irsha · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-17-2006

I cannot immagine a fair God punishing people for anything their parents have done

- Qatada - · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-17-2006

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Originally Posted by virago

I asked this question because I recall reading a reference to such a hadith in a book by Ibn al-Qayyim.

If you can find the source, that would be really useful. But i got a strong feeling it may be fabricated or you may not have understood it properly.

There are many ayah/verses and ahadith to support the fact that a soul is only responsible for its own actions.

One of the most solid ayah to support this is in surah najm (53)

"That no burdened person (with sins) shall bear the burden (sins) of another. And that man can have nothing but what he does (of good and bad). And that his deeds will be seen, Then he will be recompensed with a full and the best recompense [fair] " (Quran 53:38-41)

wa Allaahu ta'aala a'lam. (and Allaah Almighty knows best.)

mahuruf · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-18-2006

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Originally Posted by virago

I asked this question because I recall reading a reference to such a hadith in a book by Ibn al-Qayyim.

I too heard about it.

Salaam

virago · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-18-2006

Well, there is a slight possibility that I have misunderstoof what Ibn al-Qayyim said.

What he said in Arabic is:

لا يدخل الجنة ولد زنية

which I understood to mean that children born out of wedlock will not enter Paradise.

- Qatada - · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-18-2006

I strongly think you misunderstood the hadith, because its contradicting whats in the Qur'an.

Its either you misunderstood it, or the hadith may be fabricated/da'eef (weak.) Because unlike the christians, we (as muslims) don't believe in original sin, and no soul bears the burden (sins) of another soul, and every child is born pure/sinless.

wa Allaahu ta'aala a'lam. (and Allaah Almighty knows best.)

Musaafir · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-29-2006

here's a passage I came across when reading about Hadhrat Ayesha (Radhiallahu-anha), and I feel that it relates to this thread.

Abu Huraira radiallahu-anhu had given the opinion that an illegitmate issue was the worst of the three viz. himself, his father and his mother. Ayesha Radhiallahu-anha said it was not true. the fact is that a person was a hypocrite and used to speak ill of the Prophet . Somebody said he was a *******. The Prophet said he was worse than his parents. This was a specific case and not a general proposition. Ayesha Radhiallahu-anha recited the verse, 'Nobody bears the burden of another.' The fault was of the parents and not the child.

Ghazi · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-29-2006

Salaam

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the fact is that a person was a hypocrite and used to speak ill of the Prophet

Who was.

Musaafir · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-29-2006

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Originally Posted by islam-truth

Salaam

Who was.

i meant to type that it was in reference to a person who was a hypocrite..no names were mentioned.. hope that clarifies your question

Fighting4Iman · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-29-2006

lets put it this way, we dont believe in the "original sin"! No man is responsible for wat a stranger has done similarly a son cannot be responsible for his fathers actions unless he was mature and understanding enough to warn him against such actions... well obviously this isnt the case!

For example if i was to take drugs and my mother knowingly did nothing about it she cud be questioned in the day of judgement but how can an innocent child be help responsible? No transferrance of sins is ridulous in this respect

MetSudaisTwice · **Page Updated: 25/05/2006**

salam
may allah protect us from zinah and adultery
wasalam

virago · **Re: Children born out of wedloc -** 03-29-2006

I've done a lil research, and apparently, the authenticity of the hadith is a matter of dispute amongst scholars. And the scholars who have said that it is sahih have interpreted "walad zanyah", which literally means "a child born out of wedlock", as a referral to a person who commits zina so much that s/he has become famous for it. Allahu A'lam.

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virago Member Status: Offline Posts: 74 Reputation: 52 Rep Power: 20 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Children born out of wedloc - 03-16-2006 Is there a hadith stating that children born out of wedlock will not enter Paradise?

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Musaafir The Procrastinator.. Status: Offline Posts: 1,327 Reputation: 5111 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wherever I am is of no concern to thee, but you'll most likely find me with lots of chocolatte. Yum. Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Children born out of wedloc - 03-16-2006 i'm not sure about the hadith regarding this situation..but surely the child is not to blame for their parents sins..so they must have an equal chance of entering paradise as everyone else, depending on their deeds..but Allah knows best.. __________________

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virago Member Status: Offline Posts: 74 Reputation: 52 Rep Power: 20 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Children born out of wedloc - 03-16-2006 I asked this question because I recall reading a reference to such a hadith in a book by Ibn al-Qayyim.

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irsha Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 199 Reputation: 33 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Mar 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Undisclosed	Re: Children born out of wedloc - 03-17-2006 I cannot immagine a fair God punishing people for anything their parents have done

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virago Member Status: Offline Posts: 74 Reputation: 52 Rep Power: 20 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Children born out of wedloc - 03-18-2006 Well, there is a slight possibility that I have misunderstoof what Ibn al-Qayyim said. What he said in Arabic is: لا يدخل الجنة ولد زنية which I understood to mean that children born out of wedlock will not enter Paradise.

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- Qatada - Ummah Under 1 Banner Status: Offline Posts: 10,381 Reputation: 41985 Rep Power: 84 Join Date: May 2005 Location: ...travelling to the hereafter.. Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Children born out of wedloc - 03-18-2006 I strongly think you misunderstood the hadith, because its contradicting whats in the Qur'an. Its either you misunderstood it, or the hadith may be fabricated/da'eef (weak.) Because unlike the christians, we (as muslims) don't believe in original sin, and no soul bears the burden (sins) of another soul, and every child is born pure/sinless. wa Allaahu ta'aala a'lam. (and Allaah Almighty knows best.) __________________ iDawah.com Bringing Dawah back..to the future! http://salaf-stories.blogspot.com

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Fighting4Iman Fighting4Emaan Status: Offline Posts: 16,016 Reputation: 48514 Rep Power: 93 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fighting4Emaan Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Children born out of wedloc - 03-29-2006 lets put it this way, we dont believe in the "original sin"! No man is responsible for wat a stranger has done similarly a son cannot be responsible for his fathers actions unless he was mature and understanding enough to warn him against such actions... well obviously this isnt the case! For example if i was to take drugs and my mother knowingly did nothing about it she cud be questioned in the day of judgement but how can an innocent child be help responsible? No transferrance of sins is ridulous in this respect __________________ -Fighting for my Emaan- I Will Not Lose - Never - No Way - Not Ever

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virago Member Status: Offline Posts: 74 Reputation: 52 Rep Power: 20 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Children born out of wedloc - 03-29-2006 I've done a lil research, and apparently, the authenticity of the hadith is a matter of dispute amongst scholars. And the scholars who have said that it is sahih have interpreted "walad zanyah", which literally means "a child born out of wedlock", as a referral to a person who commits zina so much that s/he has become famous for it. Allahu A'lam.