Originally Posted by salehah

Peace to all!


Dear bro. As soon as i get on this board, either my posts start getting deleted or issue gets closed by the moderator or I start getting mails from the moderator not to post any "SUCH" material. (perhaps that exposes whatever they are following and propogating).

Why??because probably this is not according to their agenda which I just got in another private mail...I didn't know this forum was for certain section and not for muslims.

So if I try to point at a finger at the way they are teaching is wrong and show the proof of it they want me to discontinue!!

So dear I will leave it here the way it is every one responsible for their own actions! and you keep searching for your own souls which I hope is not dead yet like many I have seen on this forum.
Still I'll keep trying!

so good luck and jazakAllah!

Originally Posted by salehah

...And while that old lonely lady marries a person, not neccessary married before, just to have occasional sex thats all whenever he feels convenient or needs a change, what in the mean time when he is not arround ...
ohh yes your scholars have told you women need sex just once a week or twice..uhm whatevers the fatwa is, sheikh's people know better! oh then what happens if he comes once in two months..uhmm she might have gotten sick and died in mean time...so no problem...also she can bear his child and take care of "it" to keep her busy because probably thats all she's allowed to do!!
and ohh yes talking about intentions!! what exactly is the mans intention in all this?
You have made a mockery of your religion thats all! a joke out of the sacred institute of marraige and it's purposes! just a contract for satisfying the lust.
What are you trying to justify?

and call yourself muslims when have gone bellow the level of even common humane values, only blindly following the religion of your forefathers and sheikhs not Islam! Brainwashed not to even think whats right let alone question because all responsibilty of that you have put on the shoulders of your imams!
go ahead keep on living in the world of utopia .. and the worse is still to come on this so called muslim world.
Wake up before it's too late.

may Allah guide us all in the right direction.

Amen

Originally Posted by Muslim Knight

Question:

As-Salamu `Alaykum! May Allah bless you, and in Sha’ Allah you will always be in progress. I want to ask you about the marriage that is called in Arabic Misyar. I hope you will explain to me what it means, and kindly shed light on the Islamic ruling concerning it.

Answer:

Wa`alaykum As-Salamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Almighty Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, we are really pleased to have your question and to have the chance to convey some of the teachings of our religion to our Muslim brothers. In fact, it adds to our happiness to find guidance being disseminated and the word of truth being highly elevated. We hope these humble efforts meet the great expectations of yours.

Misyar marriage can be defined as a marriage contract between a man and a woman, in which the woman waives some of the rights she would have in a normal Islamic marriage. This sometimes takes place when, for example, there are many women who, as they get older, find it increasingly difficult to marry. In this case a woman opts for a husband who is not able to fulfil the normal marital duties like financial maintenance, or spending adequate time with her, for example. She considers that marrying such a husband is better than remaining unmarried.

It’s noteworthy that once a marriage contract meets its Shari`ah requirements, it will be acceptable from the Islamic points of view irrespective of what people call such contract. Conditions of valid marriage are: The consent of both spouses, the consent of the Wali (guardian), the payment of the dower, the presence of the witnesses, and the announcement of the contract.

It goes without saying that valid marriage should not be limited to a certain period of time; otherwise it will be reckoned as a Mut`ah (temporal) marriage which is prohibited in Islam.

Dealing with this subject, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:

Misyar marriage should be viewed as a form of legal relationship between man and woman regardless of any description attached to it. This is pursuant to the juristic rule: "What matters most in contracts are motives and meaning, not the wording or structure."

Therefore, in determining the legal nature of this marriage, we should not judge things according to names, for as we know, people feel free in naming or describing something.

There is nothing new about this kind of marriage. It is in one way or another very similar to what is known as `Urfi marriage or non-documented marriage.

Stipulating certain details in the marriage contract on both sides is acceptable. For example, some `Ulama (scholars) maintain that a woman has a right to determine the timing of marriage; i.e., it can take place at day or night, however, she can also waive this right.

Therefore, based on what has been mentioned, we can state that Misyar marriage, or something in similar form, has been in practice from time immemorial. It also serves the purpose of some women, who, for instance, may be rich but happen to be unable to marry at the proper time. So, such women can opt for this kind of marriage.

But I do have to make it clear that the aforementioned statement does not make me a protagonist of Misyar marriage. In all my Fatwas and sermons, it is not mentioned anywhere that I give any support for such marriage.

The point is that when I was asked by a journalist to state my opinion regarding this marriage, I found it a pressing religious duty to give a clear-cut opinion on something that does not make unlawful what Almighty Allah has made lawful for His servants.

Therefore, if anyone seeks my opinion on this marriage, I must reply him saying: What do you mean by Misyar marriage. However, if I get an explanation that shows that in Misyar marriage, all the Islamic legal requirements are met, then the marriage is valid.

Those requirements are: an offer and acceptance from both parties; a specified dowry, according to the Qur'anic verse: "And give unto the women, (whom ye marry) free gift of their marriage portions" (An-Nisa': 4), and that the contract wins the consent of the guardian. Thereby, no one has the right to brandish it as unlawful.

There is no doubt that such marriage may be somehow socially unacceptable, but there is a big difference between what is Islamically valid and what is socially acceptable. As we know, people can be cynical about the idea of an employee marrying his employer. But who can deny the validity of such a marriage if it meets all the legal requirements?

This issue, therefore, needs a cautious approach. One should not feel free to condemn an act as absolutely forbidden, merely on social repugnance. Rather, one needs to have convincing evidence to determine the legal nature of each particular act.

Originally Posted by searchingsoul

So can she pick and choose what rights she wishes to do without?

This is supposed to last a lifetime, correct?

Originally Posted by searchingsoul

So can she pick and choose what rights she wishes to do without?

This is supposed to last a lifetime, correct?

Originally Posted by Rabi'ya

thats disgusting and perverted!!

i think we are all aware that there is nothing officially islamic about the arab world!



Rabi'ya:rose:

(sorry just my opinion)

Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

Sis stop being racist. Just because you have seen some arabs acting in a certain way or with certain views does not mean you should label the entire arab race. Please calm down and think about what you are saying.

Originally Posted by salehah

ASALAMO ALIKOM SIS!

You see thats the problem .. why you are calm about it!

Originally Posted by salehah

I am only pointing to fingers to only those who think this way or rather don't think at all!

peace again!

Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

A whole forum can't be for something... and sis salehah... being emotional won't get us anywhere. We need to be rational.

Originally Posted by Nicola

why did Allah make all these different kinds of marriages?

for what reasons?

Originally Posted by searchingsoul

I was wondering the same thing. I'm not saying I'm against the Misyar Marriage. I'm just thinking that if I agree with Misyar marriages I could also reasonably agree with other forms of "western relationships". I suppose by saying the designated vows prior to an arrangement may make it okay in the eyes of God. I dunno.

Originally Posted by Nicola

Do you think it arrangement could possible be ok for Christians..e.g like a couple make an agreement between themselves and God..without a vicar..would that be legal in the eyes of the Christian God/

what do you think?

Originally Posted by searchingsoul

I think it would be legal in the eyes of God. God knows the heart and intentions of people. In many ways it may be more valid than a marriage carried out in a church ceremony.

I just find this Misyar Marriage concept to be rather liberal, which surprises me.

Originally Posted by Nicola

thanks for you opinion

I have heard of these kinds of marriages before, having friends in the ME..but I'd like to know why Allah changed the rules ...to allow these kinds of marriages.

Originally Posted by Noora_z3

NO dont get it all wrong here, Allah didnt change the rules or anything like that.

First of all, this kind of marrige was here in the Kingdom since like 300 yrs back, scholrs of saudi r divided in this matter, some say they r totally against it, n it doesnt have any basis in the Islamic Sharia, n some say that nothing is wrong bout it as long as it fullfills certain criteria....hence small number of ppl parcticed that marrige...

I did some research here, the intresting thing is this wen I ask the ppl here, they dont really know by whom this marrige was legalised in the Kingdom? Did Lajnat Al-Ifta'a legalise it?!...dont know...was it legalised by the goverment?!..if yes...on wat basis did they legalize it?!

Since i live here n intrract with Saudis, I will check it out. Insha Allah.

Originally Posted by Nicola

thanks., will be interesting to find out..does that mean if it isn't in the Shaira law...it isn't from Allah then?