takbir

vpb · **takbir -** 05-27-2006

selam alaikum,

I have a question and people have answered it in different ways, some say that whenever you say during the prayer "Allahu Akbar", (for ex. doing ruku,bowing down on the ground etc.) u should lift your hands up (like when you do takbir), and some say that prophet a.s quit doing that during his late time. So my question is do you have to lift your hands (like when you do takbir) everytime you say "Allahu Akbar" or just in the beginning when you start the prayer that you do the takbir??

AbdulHaq · **Re: takbir -** 05-28-2006

I have heard exactly what you said. And I have heard people make the case for both ways. So, I guess, pick one way, and forget about it. I just think we shouldn't get lost in minor issues. Inshallah, once we have made the correct niyah for our prayer or anything we do, Allah will accept it. As long you are trying to do you best, to the best of your ability, inshallah Allah will accept it. I just think there are bigger problems in the world right now that we should be worrying about and that need our immediate attention. Inshallah, a day will arise when problems like what you said will be our only problems.

MusLiM 4 LiFe · **Re: takbir -** 05-28-2006

some scholars say u have 2, others say its optional.. i dont do that but i guess whatever or however ur taught innit..

Skillganon · **Re: takbir -** 05-28-2006

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Originally Posted by vpb

selam alaikum,

I have a question and people have answered it in different ways, some say that whenever you say during the prayer "Allahu Akbar", (for ex. doing ruku,bowing down on the ground etc.) u should lift your hands up (like when you do takbir), and some say that prophet a.s quit doing that during his late time. So my question is do you have to lift your hands (like when you do takbir) everytime you say "Allahu Akbar" or just in the beginning when you start the prayer that you do the takbir??

I am lookinf for evidence for both claim. Anyone know where I can get some?

MODS? ADM? any scholars?

Al-Zaara · **Re: takbir -** 06-06-2007

Asselamu aleykum,

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Rakat 1

Stand.
Takbir (raise both hands shoulder level and say "Allahu Akbar")

I was sitting with some of the companions of Allah's Apostle and we were discussing about the way of praying of the Prophet . Abu Humaid As-Saidi said, "I remember the prayer of Allah's Apostle better than any one of you. ... I saw him raising both his hands up to the level of the shoulders on saying the Takbir..." [Bukhari 1.791, Narrated Muhammad bin Amr bin Ata]

"Allah's Messenger used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the As-Salat (the prayer); and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say Sami 'Allahu liman hamidah, Rabbana walakal-hamd. And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations." [Bukhari 1.702, Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar]

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134 hadith found in 'Characteristics of Prayer' of Sahih Bukhari.

702

Narrated Salim bin 'Abdullah: My father said, "Allah's Apostle used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the prayer; and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say "Sami a-l-lahu Liman hamida, Rabbana walaka-l-hamd." And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.

703

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: I saw that whenever Allah's Apostle stood for the prayer, he used to raise both his hands up to the shoulders, and used to do the same on saying the Takbir for bowing and on raising his head from it and used to say, "Sami a-l-lahu Liman hamida". But he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.

704

Narrated Abu Qilaba: I saw Malik bin Huwairith saying Takbir and raising both his hands (on starting the prayers and raising his hands on bowing and also on raising his head after bowing. Malik bin Huwairith said, "Allah's Apostle did the same."

705

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: I saw Allah's Apostle opening the prayer with the Takbir and raising his hands to the level of his shoulders at the time of saying the Takbir, and on saying the Takbir for bowing he did the same; and when he said, "Sami a-l-lahu Liman hamida ", he did the same and then said, "Rabbana wa laka-l-hamd." But he did not do the same on prostrating and on lifting the head from it."

706

Narrated Nafi': Whenever Ibn 'Umar started the prayer with Takbir, he used to raise his hands: whenever he bowed, he used to raise his hands (before bowing) and also used to raise his hands on saying, "Sami a-l-lahu Liman hamida", and he used to do the same on rising from the second Rak'a (for the 3rd Rak'a). Ibn 'Umar said: "The Prophet used to do the same."

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RAF-E-YADAIN (Raising Hands) IN SALAAT

Q: Pls provide the Hadith-e-Mutawatir regarding performing Raff-al-Yadain. Why are the Hanafees discouraged from performing it, despite such a strong Hadith?

A: The discussion regarding Raf-ul-yadayn (raising of the hands in Salaat before and after Ruku, etc.) is a very intensive one. There are many Muhadditheen and Mujtahideen that supported each of the opposing views.

With regards to your specific query, firstly the claim that the Hadith which mentions Raf-ul-yadayn (raising of the hands) before and after ruku only is Mutawaatir is questionable. (see I’elaa-us-sunan vol.3 pg.80)

Secondly, the Hanafi are not the sole holders of the view that Raf-ul-yadayn should not be done. Instead, thee are other eminent Mujtahideen also who are of the same view, i.e. Imaam Sufyaan al-Thawri (ra), Imaam Maalik (ra) – according to one view – and other Mujtahideen of Kufah, etc. This was also the practice of the illustrious khulafaa-e-raashiden; Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattaab [Radhiallaahu anhu], Sayyiduna Aliy ibn Abi-Talib [Radhiallahu anhu]. (see athaarus-sunan pg.134-140; I’elaa-us-sunan vol.3 pgs.56-90; Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah vol.1 ph.236-237)

Some of the proofs that support the view of not raising the hands, i.e. the view of Imaam Abu Hanifa [ra] and others, are the following:

1. Imaams Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, Nasaaie (RA) have recorded in their Sunans that once Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Mas’ood (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said, ‘Should I not show you the Salaat of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam)?’ He, then stood up and he raised his hands for the first time (for Takbir-e-Tahrima). Thereafter, he did not raise his hands. (Sunan Abu Dawud pg.109; Sunan al-Tirmidhi pg.58; Sunan Nasaaie vol.1 pg.158). The narration has been classified as authentic by Imaam Nimawi [ra]. (Aathaar-us-sunan pg.133)

2. Sayyiduna Barraa ibn Aazib [Radhiallaahu anhu] reported that when Rasulullah [Sallallahu alayhi Wasallam] used to commence his Salaat, he would raise his hands upto close to his ears and thereafter he would not repeat this act (of raising the hands) in Salaat.’ (Tahaawi vol.1 pg.132; Sunan Abi Dawud Hadith109). Allaamah Muhammad Yusuf al-Binnori [ra] has stated that this Hadith is an authentic argument (see Ma’arifus-sunan vol.2 pg.493)

3. Saalim [Radhiallaahu anhu] reports from Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar [Radhiallaahu anhu] that Rasulullah [Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam] used to raise his hands at the beginning of the Salaat and he would not repeat it. (al-Khilaafiyyaat of Imaam al-Bayhaqi)

Among the Sahaaba [Radhiallaahu anhum] who did not practice on Raf-ul-yadayn are: Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattaab [Radhiallaahu anhu], Sayyiduna Aliy [Radhiallaahu anhu], Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Mas’ood [Radhiallahu anhu], Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra [Radhiallaahu anhu], Sayyiduna Barraa ibn Aazib [Radhiallaahu anhu] Sayyiduna Ka’ab ibn Hujrah [Radhiallaahu anhu]. (Ma’arifus-sunan vol.2 pg.464)

Those Mujtahideen that are of the opinion that Raf-ul-yadayn should only be practiced at the beginning of Salaat have further argued that they accept the Ahadith that prove Raf-ul-yadayn at the various postures of Salaat to be authentic. However, those have been abrogated by other Ahaadith, the act of Raf-ul-yadayn remained the practice of Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] for a while, but later on it was gradually abandoned. (I’elaa-us-sunan vol.3 pg.79)

There are various technical proofs that substantiate this claim. We chose not to mention them for fear of causing confusion on the readers that are not fully equipped with the knowledge of Usoolul Fiqh. However, if you are interest in these finer details, kindly refer to I’elaa-us-sunan vol.3 pgs.56-90, Athaarus-sunan, Ma’arifus sunan vol.2 pg.451-501.

and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best

Moulana Muhammad ibn Moulana Haroon Abasoomar

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The Hanafi view on this matter.

This is what I found. But I can truly say this is a disscussed matter, with difference in opinion, so you go search for more opinions if you so wish, inshaAllah.

adeel · **Re: takbir -** 06-06-2007

well i dont do it, im not really sure about this case you'll need to find some more info, some say you have to do it, some say you don't, well anyway as long as you are praying to Allah thats alright

asadxyz · **Re: takbir -** 06-06-2007

Assalaamo Alaikum:
Both ways are correct.Because these are proved from the Holy Prophet.Sometimes He did Rafaa Yadan and sometimes not.
Allah Liked both action of his Beloved Prophet so ,both ways are preserved till Qiamah.Some people will go on doing it and some not.
Adopt one way and stick to it.
Best of luck

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vpb Ummah Under 1 Banner Status: Offline Posts: 1,992 Reputation: 4466 Rep Power: 33 Join Date: Oct 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	takbir - 05-27-2006 selam alaikum, I have a question and people have answered it in different ways, some say that whenever you say during the prayer "Allahu Akbar", (for ex. doing ruku,bowing down on the ground etc.) u should lift your hands up (like when you do takbir), and some say that prophet a.s quit doing that during his late time. So my question is do you have to lift your hands (like when you do takbir) everytime you say "Allahu Akbar" or just in the beginning when you start the prayer that you do the takbir?? __________________ What a Chicken S way out. Don't start fights that you are not willing to finish. Learning about the Tawheed of Allah (swt) is the most important thing for the whole humanity !!!

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AbdulHaq Junior Member Status: Offline Posts: 34 Reputation: 40 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: May 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: takbir - 05-28-2006 I have heard exactly what you said. And I have heard people make the case for both ways. So, I guess, pick one way, and forget about it. I just think we shouldn't get lost in minor issues. Inshallah, once we have made the correct niyah for our prayer or anything we do, Allah will accept it. As long you are trying to do you best, to the best of your ability, inshallah Allah will accept it. I just think there are bigger problems in the world right now that we should be worrying about and that need our immediate attention. Inshallah, a day will arise when problems like what you said will be our only problems.

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MusLiM 4 LiFe LiL MiSs MuJaHiDaH Status: Online Posts: 4,375 Reputation: 5477 Rep Power: 36 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: england Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: takbir - 05-28-2006 some scholars say u have 2, others say its optional.. i dont do that but i guess whatever or however ur taught innit.. __________________ *[x][..ImBack..][x]* (kinda)

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adeel Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 64 Reputation: 66 Rep Power: 17 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Birmingham Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: takbir - 06-06-2007 well i dont do it, im not really sure about this case you'll need to find some more info, some say you have to do it, some say you don't, well anyway as long as you are praying to Allah thats alright

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asadxyz Ad-Deen Student Status: Offline Posts: 450 Reputation: 1195 Rep Power: 19 Join Date: Mar 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: takbir - 06-06-2007 Assalaamo Alaikum: Both ways are correct.Because these are proved from the Holy Prophet.Sometimes He did Rafaa Yadan and sometimes not. Allah Liked both action of his Beloved Prophet so ,both ways are preserved till Qiamah.Some people will go on doing it and some not. Adopt one way and stick to it. Best of luck __________________ Who can be more *irrational* than those who say: Design is possible without a designer ??