To those that were born into Islam, the Hadeeth is a very natural part of Islam. To those of us who are newbies, initialy the Hadeeth are very confusing.

Keep in mind with many of us newbies, we do not even know or even heard of the Hadeeth until we have been Muslim for a while.

Be patient with those of us who are mere babies in Islam. We are newborns into the true world. Give us time to learn and understand. With a baby you do not expect them to know what an encyclopedia is when they first begin to talk. They have to take first steps.

To those that are more knowledgabel in Islam, please help us newbies by stating the Hadeeth, but do not stop with just quoting a line give us reference as to why and how it came about, why we know it is true.

It is frustrating to be a guiding parent, under the best of conditions. If you are a person blessed with knowledge in Islam, it also gives you responsibility. Your role becomes like that of a guiding parent. But, this is a little more difficult, as now your "children" may be older then you and can be very stubborn. Teach and guide us with love, patience and understanding.

"By the star when it goes down, your companion is neither astray nor being mislead, nor does he say [anything] of his [own] desire. It is no less than an inspiration sent down to him" [Surah an-Najm 53:1-4]

Hadith is the utterances occurances etc of the Prophet [Pbuh] as we have acknowledged, upon readin this i was shocked...How can one deny that the Prophet spoke of great wisdom, consequently written and compiled into a book??..
That is how the Quran came about did it not?...the Prophet [Pbuh] memorised the verses and it was written by the Sahabah...is someone to deny that aswell? Yeesh

Lol course ya were chacha_ jalebi, twas on the tip of yo toungye/keyboard eh eh eh
Peace x

Salaam x Maz x,


See this another thing about hadiths that really urks me. Alot of times those who are into hadith are very in love with the Messenger a whole lot. They can quote the hadiths like crazy, but can't quote the Quran like crazy aswell. But even more, their love for the MEssenger is quite evident in the way that they speak.

You put a blessing behind the Prophet's name, but you do not put anytype of blessing when you mention God.

Seriously, values seem to be shifted.


Surah 18:54
We have explained in detail in this Quran for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious.



I don't accuse the Messenger of speaking out of his own desire.

What I believe is that these hadiths are not from the Messenger at all.


I won't quote the hadiths becauase then it would cause a sect argument and we're not suppose to talk about sects here.




And please give me the verse in the Quran that talks about them and how they are suppose to record his sayings down.

And again, you have absoloutly no proof that these sayings are really what they had said. None at all. You rely on man to confirm your faith.



But obviously that must be the case since there are "weak" hadiths and "strong" hadiths. If that wasn't the case then all "hadiths" would be accpeted correct? Yes. So your idea that becuase such and such may have loved him so much and thereofre never lie on him has been proven false. Becuase agian if that was the case, all "hadiths" will be authentic, and there would be no such thing as "fabricated" hadiths in the first place. No need for a "science" on hadith and people going about to check the authentication. Right? Yes. But obviously there is.



You keep saying "basic". The Quran clearly says that it explains everything in detail. There's nothing "basic" about it.


salaam

Salaam x Maz x,

Again, this verse does not establish that hadiths are too be followed. Neither does it establish the authenticity of them aswell.



And they were written down years after the Messenger's death. Even more, isn't there a hadith that even says that the Messenger demanded that people not record what he is saying??? Yes.

And hadiths are not the utterance orccursance of the Prophet. What they are are sayings of people who claim that the Messenger said and did such and such.



Please quote the Quran verse that goes about and demands that people do this?? PLease quote the Quran that talks about folllowing the haidths that Buhkari had written. PLease quote them.

What verse in the Quran tells you to follow these hadiths???

The Quran tells you that it is clear and in detailed. The Quran even says that the Quran is the only thing divinly inpsired to the Messenger.


Please not that Bukhari was not apart of the MEssenger's Sahabah.


salaam

sista busstop so do u reject hadiths?

Salaam Woodrow,


There are many born and raised Muslims who reject hadiths, myself being one of them. Yes, accepting hadiths is very natural if you blindly follow and refuse to find the authority of hadiths in the Quran. But once you start reading and start asking questions like:

1.) Who is Bukhari and gave him authority?
2.) If hadiths are divine, why are their fabricated ones?
3.) If hadiths are divine, why not folllow all of them?
4.) Why are there are hadiths that contradict the QuraN/
5.) Why are the hadiths that contradict the Quran, sometimes considered to have aborgated the Quran?
6.) Why would God leave men to sort out the weak and strong haidths?
7.) Where does the Quran establish hadiths?
8.) If the Quran was the only thing inspired to the Messenger, then why are there other books to follow?


Things become complicated and you realize that something is awfully wrong. Especially when people can only say that the Messenger does not speak from his own deisre.

salaam

My name is not BUSstop. Didn't I just tell you about mocking or was the someone else???

salaam

so u reject hadiths?

can i ask u do u belive dat d dajjal will come?

sowy sis boi stop sowwy lol

See this another thing about hadiths that really urks me. Alot of times those who are into hadith are very in love with the Messenger a whole lot. They can quote the hadiths like crazy, but can't quote the Quran like crazy aswell. But even more, their love for the MEssenger is quite evident in the way that they speak.

You put a blessing behind the Prophet's name, but you do not put anytype of blessing when you mention God.

Seriously, values seem to be shifted.

Whats that gotta do wit hadiths? That is the peoples mentality, I havent come accross any hadith sayin 'memorise this and dont learnt the Quran'...there is no competition between the hadith and Quran, they both compliment eachother..

What I believe is that these hadiths are not from the Messenger at all.
LOOOOOOOOOL *DEEEEEEP BREATH*...who are they from? Me?

And again, you have absoloutly no proof that these sayings are really what they had said. None at all. You rely on man to confirm your faith.

Whats gwanin?? Ya gonna deny the existance of the Sahabah nex aswell?? My 'proof' is tha fact that i have faith that the Prophet had companions who recorded his sayings

But obviously that must be the case since there are "weak" hadiths and "strong" hadiths. If that wasn't the case then all "hadiths" would be accpeted correct? Yes. So your idea that becuase such and such may have loved him so much and thereofre never lie on him has been proven false. Becuase agian if that was the case, all "hadiths" will be authentic, and there would be no such thing as "fabricated" hadiths in the first place. No need for a "science" on hadith and people going about to check the authentication. Right? Yes. But obviously there is.

Oh dear, mis-conceptions left right and centre *eyes rolly*...have a look at the definitions of the words Might help your clouded mind
Sahih [Correct]: a hadith narraated by people well known for their integrity of charachter, learning and memory and which also has a continuos chain of reliable insad -In its class, it is the most reliable hadith

Hasan [Accepted]: A hadith similar to sahih hadith but narrated by people who are lsihgtly less reputed for their intergrity of character, learning or memory- It is also a reliable hadith but occupies a position next to that of sahih

Dha'eef [weak]: A hadith narrated by peopl whose characters are not well known or a hadith which has defects in its sanad - In its class, it occupies a position next to that of hasan.

I suggest you reserch the whole topic of ilm al -hadith InshAllah...

I won't quote the hadiths becauase then it would cause a sect argument and we're not suppose to talk about sects here.
So in other words you have no sufficient evidence to back your claim *eyes rolly*

Again, this verse does not establish that hadiths are too be followed. Neither does it establish the authenticity of them aswell.

We are going in circles really arent we...*eyes rolly*

And they were written down years after the Messenger's death. Even more, isn't there a hadith that even says that the Messenger demanded that people not record what he is saying??? Yes.

And hadiths are not the utterance orccursance of the Prophet. What they are are sayings of people who claim that the Messenger said and did such and such

No they were written and compiled in books regardin their autnicity and classified according to how reliable they were AFTER the Prophet [Pbuh] but were written at the time of the event...
Well everyones entitled to their opnion *eyes rolly*
Quotes for that claim please

Let me research more inshAllah and provide you with evidence concerning this matter...Have saabr...as stated in hadith or will you not do that? Peac x




You keep saying "basic". The Quran clearly says that it explains everything in detail. There's nothing "basic" about it.

No, the Prophet guided the people at that time but also showed them how to enact his message and put them into practice

BRAP BRAP

*salutes 2 sista maz* (i told her wot 2 write) lol


sister boistop come on man, we know that RasoolAllah (saw) actually told Hadhrat Amr Ibn Al Aas (ra) 2 write down wot he was sayin, so he could tell it 2 others wen he went 4 da'wah. also in the Quran it says

"obey God and His messenger" - surah al ahzab

& der r bare verses in d quran which say obey d messenger (saw)

n d people dat narrated these hadiths are mainly sahaba, we hav Hadhrat Aisha (ra) who narrated over 1000 hadiths, also Abu Huraira (ra) narrated many hadiths, do do you tink these sahaba could tell a lie? NO DEY CANT

not all hadiths are authentic... agreed, dats y dey r classified in 2 3 categories of sahih, hasan n dhaeef,

also theres a HADITHS, which is sahih, n on top of that its narrated by Abu Huraira (ra) a sahabi, so i tink dat makes it 100% accurate... look

Narrated Abu Huraira:
I said to Allah's Apostle "I hear many narrations (Hadiths) from you but I forget them." Allah's Apostle said, "Spread your Rida' (garment)." I did accordingly and then he moved his hands as if filling them with something (and emptied them in my Rida') and then said, "Take and wrap this sheet over your body." I did it and after that I never
forgot any thing

its related in Bukhari in book number 1, hadiths 120 i tink, but anyway it proves dat RasoolAllah (saw) didnt stop him from narratin his sayings & he encouraged him 2 do so

There are plenty of Muslims who dont pay much mind to the hadith and as woodrow says mainly new converts. When i first reverted I did not want to follow it, this was because some of the things were very difficult for me as being new in Islam. I have now started to pick it up again. Again just as i stated in other posts it is wrong to say someone is not Muslim. That is not your place or job.

LOL!...Yeh he did ...let him take the credit, needs all de popularity he can get :okay:

Yup aggreed...
U dun beleive in the hadith Peace x

sister lol


sis boistop look @ me post i edited it, and added somemore stuff in, i tink u sudnt go round sayin hadiths sud b rejected, because u sed who gav Hadhrat Imam Bukhari (ra) d authority 2 write hadiths, well i ask :okay:

who gav u d authority 2 say hadiths r wrong?

RasoolAllah (saw) sed, "if u hear 1 thin from me narrate it forward" dats wot imam Bukhari (ra) was doin sis

i think u sud read more about islam, inshallah

Salaam x Maz x,


I was talking about a social issue dealing with hadiths.


Why do you going about and mocking? That's haraam.

Anyways...

Of course you think that they are from the MEssenger. But I do not believe so. I believe that they are lies.

It's really hard talking to you when you insist on mocking. It's hard to take you seriously because you seem to add nothing to this debate by meaningless questions. Your questions offer no proof that they really are from the Messenger. So "LOL" all that you like... you still have not provided any evidence besides "His sahaba loved him" that they are really sayings of the MEssenger, and that his Sahaba really said those things.




But where did you get this faith from? Does the Quran tell you this? If so, where? Now you are using somehting besides the Quran to establish your faith!

Where in the Quran does it say that the Sahaba will do this??? Where does it demand them to do this? You have no source to back up your reason for having faith in them. The Quran definitly did not tell you this. You are putting your faith in the hands of man and calling their sayings "divine".

Do you not see how unexcusable your reasoning is?

I'm quite sure that even the scholars you look up to would take a double take on what you are saying. At least they would establish their position by using the Quran... Now you are completly setting up your faith without the need for Quran to tell you this. Wow.




Look at what you just suggest Dha'eef is... WEAK. What do you think that means? Do you htink that it's accepted just as much as Sahih (correct)?




Gaber Ibn Abdullah said, " The messenger of God prohibited a man from crossing one leg over
the other while lying down on his back "


Ebada Ibn Tameem said , his father said that he saw the messenger of God lying down on his
back in the mosque while crossing his legs."

Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of God said, "Do not drink while standing up, if someone forgot and did it, he should vomit what he drank."

Sahih Moslem

Ibn Abbas said, "The messenger of God drank from the water of Zamzam while standing up...." Sahih Moslem.

In Bukhary, vol.1

" There will not be on the surface of Earth after one hundred years, one newborn (or created) human being.



So you follow weak hadiths aswell??

salaam