The rulings pertaining to apostasy are explained here:
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...conceptions#28
Whether a hadith-rejector qualifies as an apostate depends on what exactly the views of that individual are and their understanding. Hadith-rejectors do not follow the Qur'an only, since the Qur'an commands one to follow the sunnah. Hadith-rejectors follow the Qur'an only when it suits their preconceived views and whims. They are free to distort the verses to mean whatever, whether they do it deny prayer, to justify the killings of innocents, etc.
Petitio principii. The Qur'an says that those who reject the revelation are disbelievers, you assume that revelation refers exclusively to the Qur'an, a claim which was definitively debunked in this post:
http://www.islamicboard.com/525614-post153.html (Debate: Why do some people completely reject hadith?)
After which you tried to retract your statement but only magnified the blunder; see here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/528430-post174.html (Debate: Why do some people completely reject hadith?)

Wrong, you've made many feeble attempts to deny the explicit verses provided but all your attempts have been refuted point-by-point one after another. See the above links. After each refutation you drop that issue and run to another. When you run out of claims, you wait a while and then resurface with the exact same ones!
The Qur'an was written by men. As you said humans can make mistakes, why should we trust fallible men to transmit the Qur'an to us? And what you claim abotu hadeeth was refuting again and again almost every other post in this thread! Read about the hadith compilations of the companions who wrote down the hadith during the life of the Prophet saws:
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...ection=Hadeeth

I challenge you to provide any reason why we should prefer the preservation of the Qur'an over that of Ahadith. The same people who preserved the Qur'an preserved the hadith. "written down streight away" by WHO? the same companions who wrote down ahadith straight away.
That's what the Christians thought and now look at how many ways they interpret the Bible. Allah has protected us from all this deviation by giving us a crystal clear path to follow from which no one can deviate:

Irbaad ibn Sariyah reported that Prophet (saw) said: “I have left you upon clear white ground, its night is like its day, no one deviates from it except that he is destroyed, and whoever lives among you will see great differences (controversy). So stick to what you know from my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly acting (raashideen) rightly guided (mahdiyeen) khulafaa, cling to that with your molar teeth. (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan At-Tirmidhi, Sunan Ibn Maajah, Sunan Al-Bayhaqi)
And by convenient you mean wait it out and spread some subtle anti-hadith misguidance in other threads, then both of you plan to respond together and raise the exact same issues that were already discussed one month ago, as if people have no long-term memory.

Actually its from the Qur'an that you have to obey Allah AND His messenger, ulike how you ONLY spoke of disobeying Allah.

4:65 But no, by your Lord (O Muhammad), they have no Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.

33:36 It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.

Did anyone claim that the language of the hadith match the inimitability of the Qur'an? Strawman fallacy again and again and again.
The Qur'an itself does not stop short like you did what obedience to Allah, but it speaks of obedience to Allah AND HIS MESSENGER.
Red-herring. Who doesn't blindly follow God once they are convinced of His reality? Who doesn't blindly follow the messenger of God once they are convinced of the veracity of his prophethood?

I'll ignore your earlier lachrymose ramble; if you have any logical arguments or objections bring them forward. If not, don't waste peoples' time.

6: 26. And they prevent others from him (from following Prophet Muhammad ) and they themselves keep away from him, and (by doing so) they destroy not but their ownselves, yet they perceive (it) not.

Its funny how the Quran itself testifies to your falsehood. And its even funnier how it has shown the reason of your Ahadith rejection and the kufr of the Kuffar:

10: 39. Nay, they deny that; the knowledge whereof they could not compass and whereof the interpretation has not yet come unto them. Thus those before them did deny. Then see what was the end of the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.)!

So please, try and learn and do not repeat your age old claims again and again and again and again.

If you would actually re-read the post I made, you would know, I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone as you are doing, saying that I specifically said Rou is disobeying Allah and his Rasool or AceofHearts is doing so, you made that same assumption against the threadstarter who simply said that Hadith rejectors are kaafirs not directly calling boistop a kafir

Now about questioning Hadith, how can you when again let me state that Allaah HIMSELF stated that you follow tha particular man, that this is the particular man that had been given guidance. Indeed, i follow no one blindly if I am following, and I hope to Allah that I am following that which he ordained which is following him and his messenger. I find it strange how u find such things questionable. And I really do pity the Hadith rejectors (not directing this at you) not only is rejecting such a thing straying from As-Siraat-ul-Mustaqeem, ou are missing out on quite a lot, including great scholarly books where you learn about the Qur'aan and it's meaning, unfortunately for you, Hadiths are commonly used...

he was directing that at me, not u

No it was not debunked. We were talking about the word 'zikr' there and I did not retract any statements, but clarified one. You continue to misunderstand my words when I have already explained your misunderstanding in one of my earlier posts.

Do you really think that the "ayahs of Allah", as used in the Qur'anic verses in my previous post, are referring to the Prophet's everyday speech?

Peace.

the same tongue that delivered hadith was the same one that delivered the quran, not?

and if the prophet was wrong when he asked us to follow his commands, why was no verse revealed in quran that counteracted his claim? If you think the prophet might hav hid those verses away, why didn't he do likewise for the verses that corrected the prophet on even more private matters (e.g. the case of zaynab divorcing zayd etc). Further more, in surat an najm it says 'and verily he is not talking from whims/desire, rather it is reveleation that is revealed' (verse 2)

Where is the evidence to suggest it's only pertaining to quranic verses and not hadith to do with islam ?

paragraph by paragraph response please.

take carea ll the best
salams

V neva said prophet was wrong!! but did u give a thought to this that there r people who say prophet wasnt the last of messengers ..similarly cant there b people to make chages in hadiths???..Allah never said he wud take care of all those Hadeeths as well..

But he did promise to protect his message. And that's through methods of authentication and verification that where developed and successfully applied for centuries till this day.

If you want to prove that something is classified as authentic is contradiction with the quran, you need to provide examples of authentic hadiths that do this.

If you accept that the prophet wasn't wrong, then the issue isn't in hadiths, it's to do with how you verify them, and your doubting of the methods of verification, in which case.. you need to explain to us how they are flawed

take care salams

Allah swt says in the Qur'an:

You initially said dhikr refers exclusively to the Qur'an, and then you conceded that this was false. Quod erat demonstratum.
8/10 of the verses you posted say 'revelations' or what 'God has sent down'. This applies to both revelations in word and meaning (Qur'an) and revelations in meaning (Sunnah).

salam,

Firstly, this verse is not praising the Prophet for any decision that he may have made on his own; rather, it is praising the BELIEVERS for giving their pledge (bai'ah) for Jihad. The verse clearly states:

'Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave their pledge to you...' - (48:18)

Secondly, even if the verse was praising the Prophet for taking their pledge, he would be rightly praised, because the giving - and hence taking - of the pledge is in-fact praised by Allah in the Qur'an itself. If you read that whole Surah, you will see clearly that Allah did actually enjoin the pledge:

'Verily, those who give their pledge (bai'ah) to you, they are giving their pledge to Allah. Allah's Hand is over their hands. Then whosoever breaks their pledge, breaks it only to his own harm ; and whosoever fulfils their pledge with Allah, then Allah will grant them a great reward.' - (48:10)

Therefore, when the believers came to the Prophet to give their pledge, of-course he would not refuse to take their pledge, because Allah had encouraged him to take them in the Qur'an. This means that your statement above is actually not true, when you said: '..the pledge that the Muslims gave the Prophet saws at hudaybiyyah is being praised in the Qur'an, yet no directive exists in the Qur'an to take such a pledge..'

Please stop trying to deceive people into your sectarian beliefs. The Clock is still ticking, and we are still waiting for you to show us a single verse from the Qur'an which makes the Hadith sacred and authoritative.

wsalam

Eh i saw plenty, dont know why its been overlooked....