I know Music is Haraam but... - Page 2

Samee · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

Just for you I've found more proof.

And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]

Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this aayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).

“[Allaah said to Iblees:] And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allaah’s disobedience)…” [al-Israa’ 17:64]

“Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Qur’aan)?

And you laugh at it and weep not,

Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”

[al-Najm 53:59-61]

Al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The four madhhabs are agreed that all musical instruments are haraam. (al-Saheehah, 1/145).

I need to know, what more proof do you need? I wouldn't dare go against the four Imams in any matter. When the Quran, Sunnah and the Imams have all declared that the musical instruments are haraam, I don't understand how you can continue to deny this.

Salah ad-din · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

Of course the things sated in that hadith before musical instruments are not permissible, but Qur'an and other ahadith forbids adultry, silk and alcohol, what other hadith or ahaith are there forbids musical instruments which will proove that in the hadith posted here it means that musical instruments are haraam?

The duff was not the only instrument played as I have heard from othwer learned Muslims when Muhamamd entered Madina.

Salah ad-din · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Samee

Just for you I've found more proof.

And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]

Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this aayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).

“[Allaah said to Iblees:] And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allaah’s disobedience)…” [al-Israa’ 17:64]

“Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Qur’aan)?

And you laugh at it and weep not,

Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”

[al-Najm 53:59-61]

Al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The four madhhabs are agreed that all musical instruments are haraam. (al-Saheehah, 1/145).

I need to know, what more proof do you need? I wouldn't dare go against the four Imams in any matter. When the Quran, Sunnah and the Imams have all declared that the musical instruments are haraam, I don't understand how you can continue to deny this.

This is not talking about ALL music. Of course such music like certain rapp, rock etc is not for us to listen to, but nasheeds are not. I really dislike when people make things haram that are not. Allahu Alim.

muslim_friend · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Salah ad-din

They played the duff. What is playing the duff? Is it not music? Abu Bakr is not Muhammad(saw) and neither God.

salam,

the duff was used only for certain occasions like marriage festivals etc.

This is not directly related with the topic at hand, because most anasheed artists do not use musical instruments in the first place.

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Nasheeds are allowed right?

I'm not a scholar to give a fatwa. But i definitely want you to check this out:

And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: wilt Thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not.

But hymn the praise of thy Lord, and be of those who make prostration (unto Him).

And We made Solomon to understand (the case); and unto each of them We gave judgment and knowledge. And We subdued the hills and the birds to hymn (His) praise along with David. We were the doers (thereof).

Only those believe in Our revelations who, when they are reminded of them, fall down prostrate and hymn the praise of their Lord, and they are not scornful, (32:15)

I typed the word 'Hymn' in the search version of my pickthall version of the Qur'an and about 30 references popped up! But better check the transalation + tafsir.

wsalam.

Samee · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Salah ad-din

This is not talking about ALL music. Of course such music like certain rapp, rock etc is not for us to listen to, but nasheeds are not. I really dislike when people make things haram that are not. Allahu Alim.

If that is your final verdict on music, then I can't change that. The hadiths and Quran verses clearly say that singing and music is haraam.

Al-Qaasim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Singing is part of falsehood. Al-Hasan (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: if there is music involved in a dinner invitation (waleemah), do not accept the invitation (al-Jaami by al-Qayrawaani, p. 262-263).

Another case of two pious men declaring music and singing haraam.

IbnAbdulHakim · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Salah ad-din

They played the duff. What is playing the duff? Is it not music? Abu Bakr is not Muhammad(saw) and neither God.

Muhammad saws was present, if Abu Bakr RA was in error with that statement then wouldnt Muhammad saws have corrected him?

Salah ad-din · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

How is singing in a whole apart of falehood Sammee? You're telling me if I sing words of truth it's still falsehood that I am preaching? When they are talking about music, they are talking about haram music. There is halal and haram music. You are telling me that there isn't no such thing as halal music and haram music.

Music is apart of some culture also. A big part of some culture. The Prophet(saw) told us not to change the culture of a people, but to change there religion. So who are us to misintrepret ahadith, ayat and tafsir of Qur'an?

Salah ad-din · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Abd'Majid

Muhammad saws was present, if Abu Bakr RA was in error with that statement then wouldnt Muhammad saws have corrected him?

What did Muhammad(saw) say when Abu(ra) said this?

Salah ad-din · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

And what words were Aisha(ra) singing?

Samee · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Salah ad-din

How is singing in a whole apart of falehood Sammee? You're telling me if I sing words of truth it's still falsehood that I am preaching? When they are talking about music, they are talking about haram music. There is halal and haram music. You are telling me that there isn't no such thing as halal music and haram music.

Music is apart of some culture also. A big part of some culture. The Prophet(saw) told us not to change the culture of a people, but to change there religion. So who are us to misintrepret ahadith, ayat and tafsir of Qur'an?

Once again you declare certain facts without providing proof. I ask that you find sources in the future, as it makes your declarations not believable.

IbnAbdulHakim · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Salah ad-din

What did Muhammad(saw) say when Abu(ra) said this?

he said leave them, "because its eid".
but he didnt say "do not call it the shaytaans instruments".

Salah ad-din · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Samee

Once again you declare certain facts without providing proof. I ask that you find sources in the future, as it makes your declarations not believable.

Are you going to beleive different if, when I post proof?

Salah ad-din · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Abd'Majid

he said leave them, "because its eid".
but he didnt say "do not call it the shaytaans instruments".

And what instruments are talking about here?

IbnAbdulHakim · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

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Originally Posted by Salah ad-din

And what instruments are talking about here?

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SAHIH BUKHARI
Volume 2, Book 15, Number 70:
Narrated Aisha:

Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Buath (a story about the war between the two tribes of the Ansar, the Khazraj and the Aus, before Islam). The Prophet (p.b.u.h) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, "Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (p.b.u.h) ?" Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) turned his face towards him and said, "Leave them." When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signalled to those girls to go out and they left. It was the day of 'Id, and the Black people were playing with shields and spears; so either I requested the Prophet (p.b.u.h) or he asked me whether I would like to see the display. I replied in the affirmative. Then the Prophet (p.b.u.h) made me stand behind him and my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, "Carry on! O Bani Arfida," till I got tired. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) asked me, "Are you satisfied (Is that sufficient for you)?" I replied in the affirmative and he told me to leave.

you tell me inshaAllah

Salah ad-din · **Re: I know Music is Haraam but... -** 07-18-2006

Abd Majid, you are calling things haram without sirect proof and then are asking me to tell you? I don't know, and being that there is no proof I will not be foolish to say that something is haram when there is no proof that it is.

The hadith you posted said MUSIC OF SHAITAN, there is also Music of GOD. What does singing about 2 wars have to do with praising God?

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Samee Wal Qu'raanil Hakeem Status: Offline Posts: 397 Reputation: 548 Rep Power: 21 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: I know Music is Haraam but... - 07-18-2006 Just for you I've found more proof. And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6] Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this aayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451). “[Allaah said to Iblees:] And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allaah’s disobedience)…” [al-Israa’ 17:64] “Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Qur’aan)? And you laugh at it and weep not, Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)” [al-Najm 53:59-61] Al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The four madhhabs are agreed that all musical instruments are haraam. (al-Saheehah, 1/145). I need to know, what more proof do you need? I wouldn't dare go against the four Imams in any matter. When the Quran, Sunnah and the Imams have all declared that the musical instruments are haraam, I don't understand how you can continue to deny this. __________________ "It will be said to the pious believers in Islamic Monotheism: 'Oh you, the one in complete rest and satisfaction! Come back to your Lord well rested and well pleased! Enter you among my honored servants! And enter you my paradise! Al-Fajr, 27-30

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Salah ad-din Da'wa Spealist Status: Offline Posts: 89 Reputation: 91 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York City Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: I know Music is Haraam but... - 07-18-2006 Of course the things sated in that hadith before musical instruments are not permissible, but Qur'an and other ahadith forbids adultry, silk and alcohol, what other hadith or ahaith are there forbids musical instruments which will proove that in the hadith posted here it means that musical instruments are haraam? The duff was not the only instrument played as I have heard from othwer learned Muslims when Muhamamd entered Madina.

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Salah ad-din Da'wa Spealist Status: Offline Posts: 89 Reputation: 91 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York City Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: I know Music is Haraam but... - 07-18-2006 How is singing in a whole apart of falehood Sammee? You're telling me if I sing words of truth it's still falsehood that I am preaching? When they are talking about music, they are talking about haram music. There is halal and haram music. You are telling me that there isn't no such thing as halal music and haram music. Music is apart of some culture also. A big part of some culture. The Prophet(saw) told us not to change the culture of a people, but to change there religion. So who are us to misintrepret ahadith, ayat and tafsir of Qur'an?

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Salah ad-din Da'wa Spealist Status: Offline Posts: 89 Reputation: 91 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York City Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: I know Music is Haraam but... - 07-18-2006 And what words were Aisha(ra) singing?

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Salah ad-din Da'wa Spealist Status: Offline Posts: 89 Reputation: 91 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York City Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: I know Music is Haraam but... - 07-18-2006 Abd Majid, you are calling things haram without sirect proof and then are asking me to tell you? I don't know, and being that there is no proof I will not be foolish to say that something is haram when there is no proof that it is. The hadith you posted said MUSIC OF SHAITAN, there is also Music of GOD. What does singing about 2 wars have to do with praising God?