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I know, controversey blah blah blah, offensive blah blah blah.

I'll just have you know that I am a Muslim (female) and I was slightly offended as well...and I would like to know, because I can't just keep this in the back of my head, nagging and nagging at me untill I explode...is all of this:

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The article states that "These teachings come from both the Qur'an and the Hadith."

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I didn't click the link you provided, but what do you want to know about specifically?
For your topic question, the answer is no, Islam is not sexist.
   
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Verily, for all men and women who have surrendered themselves unto God, and all believing men and believing women, and all truly devout men and truly devout women, and all men and women who are true to their word, and all men and women who are true to their word, and all men and women who are patient in adversity, and all men and women who humble themselves [before God], and all men and women who give in charity, and all self-denying men and self-denying women, and all men and women who are mindful of their chastity, and all men and women who remember God unceasingly, for [all of] them has God readied forgiveness of sins and a mighty reward. (33:35)

O Humankind! Be conscious of your Sustainer, who has created humanity out of one living entity, and out of it created its mate, and out of the two spread abroad a multitude of men and women. And remain conscious of God, in whose name you demand [your rights] from one another, and [reverence] the wombs [that bore you]. Verily, God is ever watchful over you! (4:1)

Hence do not covet the bounties which Allah has bestowed more abundantly on some of you than on others. Men shall have a benefit from what they earn, and women shall have a benefit from what they earn. Ask, therefore, Allah (to give you) out of His Bounty: behold, Allah has indeed full knowledge of everything. (4:32)
   
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I know, controversey blah blah blah, offensive blah blah blah.

I'll just have you know that I am a Muslim (female) and I was slightly offended as well...and I would like to know, because I can't just keep this in the back of my head, nagging and nagging at me untill I explode...is all of this:

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i like you am a female muslim but dont find islam sexist at all. why do you think so sis ?
   
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i like you am a female muslim but dont find islam sexist at all. why do you think so sis ?
If you all would view the website, you would know exactly what I'm talking about, and how this guy outlines with proof from the Qur'an and Hadith how Islam sees women as inferior religiously, morally, and intellectually.

   
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It's not like I'm trying to bash Islam, I'm a MUSLIM for goodness sake, people! I just want to know the TRUTH! Is that so wrong? Is the truth filtered out here at islamicboard.com? If so, I guess I should go elsewhere for my answers, or people's genuine points of views.
   
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If you all would view the website, you would know exactly what I'm talking about, and how this guy outlines with proof from the Qur'an and Hadith how Islam sees women as inferior religiously, morally, and intellectually.



if the site is anti islamice then it would all be blown totally out of proportion. not post the site but if you have any personal queries fee lfree to ask
   
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if the site is anti islamice then it would all be blown totally out of proportion. not post the site but if you have any personal queries fee lfree to ask
But I'm saying this guy says these verses that see women as inferior are found in the Qur'an, and Hadith, and I looked some of them up and he's right! (I never finished reading the entirety of the Qur'an, I'm a slow reader :P )
   
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Les there are many sites that are un Islamic. As a revert, try to stick with real Muslims and sites/forums like these to help stir you straight, and always ask for proove from Qur'an and Ahadith when something is not clear. The best thing is to link up with a good Imam, Sheikh, Scholar or Ulema.

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It's not like I'm trying to bash Islam, I'm a MUSLIM for goodness sake, people! I just want to know the TRUTH! Is that so wrong? Is the truth filtered out here at islamicboard.com? If so, I guess I should go elsewhere for my answers, or people's genuine points of views.
Perhaps you can be your own best authority on this subject. As a Muslimah, have you been treated inferior by any Muslims? What examples of sexism have you personaly experienced as a Muslim? I believe that any Muslimah you meet and speak to you will tell you that they have not expeienced it either.

Now in regards to web sites. We must be cautious when viewing web sites. The majority of the ones that come up in searches are often non-trust worthy. Some are by well intentioned people but with little true knowledge. Some are blatant lies, done to make Islam look bad. Some are Valid quotes, taken out of context and shown with something that makes them appear to be what they are not.

It is best to have a fair amount of knowledge about Islam, before trying to find the truth searching on your own. The best way to begin searching for info, is to ask Muslims you know either in person, or on forums to recommend sites.
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Les_Nubian,

You have previously asked questions on the forum, and you recieved answers (Is God vain?) which you found very helpful and said that they aided your understanding. We had a very efficient process going - why would you want to change that? If you desired to have some misunderstandings removed on the status of women in Islam, why would you not ask questions yourself in a respectful manner as you did before? Why would you suddenly decide to paste a link to a website which misquotes, mistranslates, distorts and slanders Islam and Muslims? If there are some Islamic quotes relating to women's status that you would like clarified then ask about them one by one. It is totally inconsiderate to simply post a list of allegations and lies and the demand others to go through them all at once and refute them.

I will begin by repasting something I wrote before on the forum to clarify your doubts as to the lofty status of women in Islam. Then if you have any misunderstandings we can go through them one by and one and discuss each individual allegation. That is a much more sincere approach and far more loyal to the truth.

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The Qur'an clarifies that piety alone, not gender or ethnicity, determines one's status with God:
Qur'an 49:13. O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most noble among you in the sight of Allah is the most pious. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.

And the Qur'an further says about the rewards for men and women:
Qur'an 3:195 I shall not lose sight of the labor of any of you who labors in My way, be it man or woman; each of you is equal to the other

Qur'an 4:124 If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.

Qur'an 16:97 Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has Faith, verily, to him will We give a new Life, a life that is good and pure and We will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions.

Qur'an 40:40 "He that works evil will not be requited but by the like thereof: and he that works a righteous deed - whether man or woman - and is a Believer- such will enter the Garden (of Bliss): Therein will they have abundance without measure.

33:35 For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise,- for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and the greatest reward.



Islam raises the status of the parents and places specific emphasis on one's mother:

Qur'an 31:14 And [God says:] ‘We have enjoined upon man goodness towards his parents: his mother bore him by bearing strain upon strain, and his utter dependence on her lasted two years: [hence, O man,] be grateful towards Me and towards thy parents, [and remember that] with Me is all journeys’ end.”

A man came to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) asking “ O Messenger of God, who among the people is the most worthy of my good company?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) said “Your mother”. The man said “then who else?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) said “Your mother”. The man asked, “then who else?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied “Your mother” When the man asked for the fourth time, only then did the Prophet (peace be upon him) say, “Your father” ( Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)

Shaykh Muhammad Ali Hashimi comments:
“This hadith confirms that the Prophet (peace be upon him) gave precedence to kind treatment of one’s mother over one’s father and the companions of the Prophet used to remind the Muslims of this after the death of the Prophet (peace be upon him)”
The famous companion of the Prophet, Abdullah ibn Abbas said, I know of no other deed that brings people closer to Allah more than kind treatment and respect towards ones mother.

Read the following incident from another famous companion, Abdullah Ibn Umar.
Abdullah Ibn Umar saw a Yemeni man performing pilgrimage carrying his mother on his back then the man said to Ibn Umar “ I am like a tame camel for her, I have carried her more than she has carried me! Do you think I have paid her back Ibn Umar?”
Ibn Umar said, “No, not even one contraction!”
(Bukhari, Book of Manners)

And we all know the hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) “Paradise lies at the feet of your mother” (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan An-Nasaa’i, Sunan Ibn Majah)

Islam has also elevated the status of daughters. The following hadith establishes the unsurpassable reward for kind treatment of one's daugters.

Aisha, wife of the Prophet (peace be upon him), said: “A poor woman came to me carrying her two daughters. I gave her three dates to eat. She gave each child a date, and raised the third to her own mouth to eat it. Her daughters asked her to give it to them, so she split the date that she had wanted to eat between them. I was impressed by what she had done, and told the Messenger of Allah P about it. He said, “Allah has decreed Paradise for her because of it”. (Sahih Muslim)

And the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “Anyone who cares for three daughters, gives them a good upbringing, marries them to good husbands and treats them with compassion, he/she will enter paradise.” A man asked, “What if one only has two, O’ Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Even if one only has two.” Another man asked, “What if one only has one, O’ Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Even if one only has one”. (Sunan Abi Dawud, Musnad Ahmad, Mustadarak Al-Haakim)

And the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, “Whoever has a daughter born to him, and he did not prefer his son over him, Allah will admit him to Paradise because of her” (Mustadarak Al-Haakim)

And he also specified sisters:
“There is no one who has three daughters, or three sisters, and he treats them well, but Allah will admit him/her to Paradise.” (Bukhari, Book of Manners)

And further:
“There is no one among my ummah who has three daughters, or three sisters, and he supports them until they are grown up, but he will be with me in Paradise like this” – and he held up his index and middle fingers together. (Tabaraani)

As for marriage, the Qur'an clarifies that is is a bond of love:
Qur'an 30:21 And among His signs is that He created mates from among yourselves that you may live in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your hearts

Read what the Prophet (peace be upon him) has said in this matter:

“The best of you is the one who is best to his wife” (Sahih Ibn Hibban)

“None but a noble man treats women in an honorable manner. And none but an ignoble treats women disgracefully” (Sunan At-Tirmidhi)

“I command you to be kind to women” (Sahih Bukhari)

The renowned scholar of hadith, Imam Ad-Dhahabi (d. 1358CE) writes:
Lest one should suppose that all the responsibilities are on the wife and all the rights belong to the husband, we mention that the husband is obliged to be gentle, kind, and loving to his wife. He must show forbearance and patience toward her in case she is occasionally abusive or ill-tempered. It is his duty to feed and clothe her and to provide for her needs well, within his means, according to the command of Allah Most High: Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity (4:19) and the advice of the Prophet: Consult with women. Indeed, you have some rights over your women and they have some rights over you. It is their right on you that you provide for their food and clothing generously, and your right on them is that they do not let anyone whom you dislike in the house, walking upon your floor. (Related by Ibn Majah and Tirmidhi who declared it Hasan Saheeh)

He said:
"The best among you is the one who is best to his wife" (Related by Ibn Hibban) in another version it is the one who is most kind to his wife. The Prophet himself was very gentle and kind in dealing with women.

The Prophet saws also said:
"If any man shows patience with his wife's bad temper, Allah will give him a reward similar to the reward of Ayyub (Job) for his patience, and if any woman shows patience with her husband's bad temper, Allah will give her a reward similar to the reward of Asiyah daughter of Muzahim, the wife of Pharoah (Cf. Qur'an 66:11)."

It is reported that a man came to 'Umar ibn Al-Khattab raa to complain about his wife's ill-temper. While he was waiting for 'Umar to come out of his house, he heard 'Umar's wife scolding him and 'Umar quietly listening to her, and not answering her back. The man turned around and started walking away, muttering to himself: "If that is the case with 'Umar, the leader of the believers, who is famous for his uprighteness and toughness, then what about poor me?!" At that moment, 'Umar came out of his house and saw the man walking away. He called him and said, "What is it you want of me, O man?" The man replied: "O leader of the believers, I came to complain to you about my wife's bad-temper and how she nags me. Then I heard your wife doing the same to you, so I turned around, muttering to myself, 'If that is the situation of the leader of the believers, then what about me?'" 'Umar replied, "O my brother, I bear with her because of her rights over me. She cooks my food, bakes my bread, washes my clothes, breast-feeds my child...and yet none of these are her duty;* and then she is a comfort to my heart and keeps me away from forbidden deeds. Consequently, I bear with her." The man said, "It is the same with me, O leader of the believers." 'Umar said: "Then, O my brother, be patient with her, indeed this life is short. (Adh-Dhahabi, Al-Kabâ'ir 194)
The last hadith about 'Umar is a beautiful example of the lofty status that Islam has given women. The Khalifa himself used to listen patiently while his wife scolded him and he instructed his followers to likewise be patient and grateful for all the favours their wives gave them. Dr. M. Moinuddin Siddiqui, who has translated Al-Kabâ'ir into english, includes the following footnote in the place I have marked above with an asterisk [*]:
According to the Shari'ah, a Muslim wife has no obligation to do all this; rather, it is the husband's obligation to take care of it [either himself or] by hiring a servant (or even, in the case of breast-feeding, a wet-nurse). Therefore, if a woman does this, it is out of good-will and compliance on her part, not because it is obligatory on her, and consequently it is a cause for appreciation and helpfulness on the part of her husband. (Translator)
I could continue to quote more evidences and information, but instead I'll just refer you to some links for more info:
http://magic-city-news.com/article_2694.shtml
http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_se...&main_cat_id=2
Now if you have any questions about a particular issue, feel free to ask and we will answer inshaa'Allah.

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You have previously asked questions on the forum, and you recieved answers (Is God vain?) which you found very helpful and said that they aided your understanding. We had a very efficient process going - why would you want to change that? If you desired to have some misunderstandings removed on the status of women in Islam, why would you not ask questions yourself in a respectful manner as you did before? Why would you suddenly decide to paste a link to a website which misquotes, mistranslates, distorts and slanders Islam and Muslims? If there are some Islamic quotes relating to women's status that you would like clarified then ask about them one by one. It is totally inconsiderate to simply post a list of allegations and lies and the demand others to go through them all at once and refute them.

I will begin by repasting something I wrote before on the forum to clarify your doubts as to the lofty status of women in Islam. Then if you have any misunderstandings we can go through them one by and one and discuss each individual allegation. That is a much more sincere approach and far more loyal to the truth.


Now if you have any questions about a particular issue, feel free to ask and we will answer inshaa'Allah.

How does he misquote? I have a Qur'an, and I looked some of the stuff up myself. It's there.
   
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ISLAM IS NOT SEXIST OK, END OF IT THAT IS THE TRUTH .WHY ARE PEOPLE ASKING STUPID QUESTION IF U ALL READY KNOW THE TRUTH PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT BEFORE IT SAY SO MANY TIMES PEOPLE WROTE 'ISLAM IS NOT SEXIST.


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How does he misquote? I have a Qur'an, and I looked some of the stuff up myself. It's there.
Give me one quote that you have difficulty understanding and think that it is sexist and I will explain it. It is very strange that you are so comfortable accepting the allegations of others against your religion after performing only a cursory search in an english translation!
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