Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah?

QuranStudy · **Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

Salaam,

Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? I though Allah cannot been seen, according to the Quran. Yet in other passages it says that Muhammad (pbuh) did see Allah (ex. Surah no. 81:15-29). There seems to be a contradiction.
Can anyone please explain this to be. Help will be greatly appreciated! Reps to anyone who answers.

Thanks.

786rani · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

well the prophet was a v.special man so he probably did see allah.
rani

QuranStudy · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

But wouldnt that be a contradiction if the Quran states that Allah is beyond vision and cannot be seen?

786rani · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

no because we r ordinary people and the surah yv read means ordinary ppl(i think)
rani

al-fateh · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

And Ibn Abbas said: “No vision can grasp him” in this life, and that the believers will see Him in the next life because Allah said so “That day will faces be resplendent, Looking toward their Lord” (Surah 75:22-23)

Reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas as well and he said: The meaning that the vision of the hearts cannot grasp Him, is that a person’s mind cannot grasp Him in order to comprehend Him. “There is none like unto him” (Surah 42:11) and he said: The meaning is that the visions created here on earth, however he can create for those who want his generosity a vision and comprehension in order to see Him just like he did for Muhammad peace be upon him.

Some of them said: The heart (of the Prophet) has seen the Lord of The Worlds and they said that He (God) made his vision in his heart so he saw him with his heart and he did not see him with his eyes.

So basically as we can see, it is possible to see God because it is even a promise that God has given to the believers that they will see him in the next life. However, in this life we cannot see him with our very eyes.

When the Prophet saw God, God could have easily made the Prophet a special vision in order to see Him. We cannot comprehend or understand how but God did. God gave the Prophet a special vision (in his heart) to see him. When God says that no vision can encompass him it is referring to the vision that we have (as in our eyes). However, all things are possible with God.

Now to the next question, did the Prophet Muhammad actually see God? I would have to admit that I and the scholars simply do not know. As we can see from the Hadiths and even the scholars admissions there were differences in opinion among the companions of the Prophet regarding whether the Prophet actually saw God or not. However, this has no effect on Islamic creed what so ever. The Prophet seeing his Lord or not actually does not make any difference to the Muslim. The main thing is that the companions agreed and were unanimous in the major pillars of Islam, which is the most important thing and our reason and hope for salvation. Regardless if the Prophet Muhammad saw God or not, does not affect Muslims in any way.

http://www.answering-christianity.co...n_rebuttal.htm

syilla · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

Prophet Musa (pbuh) have seen Allah s.w.t

al-fateh · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

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Originally Posted by syilla

Prophet Musa (pbuh) have seen Allah s.w.t

thats not true

when Allah revealed himself to Musa, he fainted from the overwhelming struck it had on him

and the mountain infront of Musa was flattened

that was pre said that Allah warned Musa that he will not be able to see him.

QuranStudy · **Okay, I did some more research and.... -** 08-11-2006

I think I found out where Sams Shamoun was wrong:

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Shamoun: If this is the case then S. 81:15-29 is another reference to Muhammad seeing Allah on a clear horizon.

From my research, it wasnt Allah who the Prophet saw, it was the ANGEL GABRIEL:

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From At-Takweer:

15: Muhsin Khan: So verily, I swear by the planets that recede (i.e. disappear during the day and appear during the night).
16: Muhsin Khan: And by the planets that move swiftly and hide themselves,
17: Muhsin Khan: And by the night as it departs;
18: Muhsin Khan: And by the dawn as it brightens;
19: Muhsin Khan: Verily, this is the Word (this Quran brought by) a most honourable messenger [Jibrael (Gabriel), from Allah to the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)]
20: Muhsin Khan: Owner of power, and high rank with (Allah) the Lord of the Throne, 21: Muhsin Khan: Obeyed (by the angels), trustworthy there (in the heavens).
22: Muhsin Khan: And (O people) your companion (Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) is not a madman;
23: Muhsin Khan: And indeed he (Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) saw him [Jibrael (Gabriel)] in the clear horizon (towards the east).
24: Muhsin Khan: And he (Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) withholds not a knowledge of the unseen.
25: Muhsin Khan: And it (the Quran) is not the word of the outcast Shaitan (Satan).
26: Muhsin Khan: Then where are you going?
27: Muhsin Khan: Verily, this (the Quran) is no less than a Reminder to (all) the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns).
28: Muhsin Khan: To whomsoever among you who wills to walk straight,
29: Muhsin Khan: And you will not, unless (it be) that Allah wills, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

This guy was mostly likely misinterpreting or was twisting what the Quran was trying to say.

syilla · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

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Originally Posted by MyIslamWeb.com

thats not true

when Allah revealed himself to Musa, he fainted from the overwhelming struck it had on him

and the mountain infront of Musa was flattened

that was pre said that Allah warned Musa that he will not be able to see him.

thank you :sister:

- Qatada - · 02:12 PM

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455:

Narrated Abu Ishaq-Ash-Shaibani (may Allaah Almighty be pleased with him):

I asked Zir bin Hubaish regarding the Statement of Allah: "And was at a distance Of but two bow-lengths Or (even) nearer; So did (Allah) convey The Inspiration to His slave (Gabriel) and then he (Gabriel) Conveyed (that to Muhammad). (Qur'an 53:9-10) On that, Zir said, "Ibn Mas'ud informed us that the Prophet had seen Gabriel having 600 wings."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 456:

Narrated Abdullah (may Allaah Almighty be pleased with him):

Regarding the Verse: "Indeed he (Muhammad) did see. Of the Signs of his Lord, The Greatest!"(53.18) That the Prophet had seen a green carpet spread all over the horizon of the sky.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 457:

Narrated Aisha (may Allaah Almighty be pleased with her):

Whoever claimed that (the Prophet) Muhammad (peace be upon him) saw his Lord, is committing a great fault, for he only saw Gabriel in his genuine shape in which he was created covering the whole horizon.

source: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...i/054.sbt.html

Allaah Almighty knows best.

scentsofjannah · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

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Originally Posted by 786rani

well the prophet was a v.special man so he probably did see allah.
rani

No He didnt see Allah...No one ever did

QuranStudy · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

Sams Shamoun is a liar.

Muhammad saw the angel Gabriel. He twisted the fact to claim the prophet saw Allah.

Kidman · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-11-2006

Why did you remove my post?

Kidman

DAWUD_adnan · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-13-2006

What about the night of ascending? when Muhammad SalAllahu aleyhi Wasalaam went through the seven heavens? did he see HIM then??? I think so....

QuranStudy · **Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? -** 08-13-2006

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What about the night of ascending? when Muhammad SalAllahu aleyhi Wasalaam went through the seven heavens? did he see HIM then??? I think so....

No, he didnt see Allah then either. He just saw other prophets.

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QuranStudy Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 795 Reputation: 237 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Aug 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? - 08-11-2006 Salaam, Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? I though Allah cannot been seen, according to the Quran. Yet in other passages it says that Muhammad (pbuh) did see Allah (ex. Surah no. 81:15-29). There seems to be a contradiction. Can anyone please explain this to be. Help will be greatly appreciated! Reps to anyone who answers. Thanks.

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786rani IB Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 530 Reputation: 537 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: U.K Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? - 08-11-2006 well the prophet was a v.special man so he probably did see allah. rani __________________ ::;) = Fitnah :;) = Fitnah :okay: = Fitnah x 2 Do we wink or act playfully with the opposite gender in in real life interaction? No (I hope). So behave modestly towards the opposite gender in your posts as well.

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QuranStudy Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 795 Reputation: 237 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Aug 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? - 08-11-2006 But wouldnt that be a contradiction if the Quran states that Allah is beyond vision and cannot be seen?

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786rani IB Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 530 Reputation: 537 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: U.K Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? - 08-11-2006 no because we r ordinary people and the surah yv read means ordinary ppl(i think) rani __________________ ::;) = Fitnah :;) = Fitnah :okay: = Fitnah x 2 Do we wink or act playfully with the opposite gender in in real life interaction? No (I hope). So behave modestly towards the opposite gender in your posts as well.

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al-fateh IB Oldtimer Status: Offline Posts: 1,168 Reputation: 731 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Miami, FL Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? - 08-11-2006 And Ibn Abbas said: “No vision can grasp him” in this life, and that the believers will see Him in the next life because Allah said so “That day will faces be resplendent, Looking toward their Lord” (Surah 75:22-23) Reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas as well and he said: The meaning that the vision of the hearts cannot grasp Him, is that a person’s mind cannot grasp Him in order to comprehend Him. “There is none like unto him” (Surah 42:11) and he said: The meaning is that the visions created here on earth, however he can create for those who want his generosity a vision and comprehension in order to see Him just like he did for Muhammad peace be upon him. Some of them said: The heart (of the Prophet) has seen the Lord of The Worlds and they said that He (God) made his vision in his heart so he saw him with his heart and he did not see him with his eyes. So basically as we can see, it is possible to see God because it is even a promise that God has given to the believers that they will see him in the next life. However, in this life we cannot see him with our very eyes. When the Prophet saw God, God could have easily made the Prophet a special vision in order to see Him. We cannot comprehend or understand how but God did. God gave the Prophet a special vision (in his heart) to see him. When God says that no vision can encompass him it is referring to the vision that we have (as in our eyes). However, all things are possible with God. Now to the next question, did the Prophet Muhammad actually see God? I would have to admit that I and the scholars simply do not know. As we can see from the Hadiths and even the scholars admissions there were differences in opinion among the companions of the Prophet regarding whether the Prophet actually saw God or not. However, this has no effect on Islamic creed what so ever. The Prophet seeing his Lord or not actually does not make any difference to the Muslim. The main thing is that the companions agreed and were unanimous in the major pillars of Islam, which is the most important thing and our reason and hope for salvation. Regardless if the Prophet Muhammad saw God or not, does not affect Muslims in any way. http://www.answering-christianity.co...n_rebuttal.htm __________________ Come and Visit our Forumwww.myislamweb.com

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- Qatada - Ummah Under 1 Banner Status: Offline Posts: 10,870 Reputation: 48800 Rep Power: 100 Join Date: May 2005 Location: ...travelling to the hereafter.. Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Did Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah? - 08-11-2006 Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455: Narrated Abu Ishaq-Ash-Shaibani (may Allaah Almighty be pleased with him): I asked Zir bin Hubaish regarding the Statement of Allah: "And was at a distance Of but two bow-lengths Or (even) nearer; So did (Allah) convey The Inspiration to His slave (Gabriel) and then he (Gabriel) Conveyed (that to Muhammad). (Qur'an 53:9-10) On that, Zir said, "Ibn Mas'ud informed us that the Prophet had seen Gabriel having 600 wings." Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 456: Narrated Abdullah (may Allaah Almighty be pleased with him): Regarding the Verse: "Indeed he (Muhammad) did see. Of the Signs of his Lord, The Greatest!"(53.18) That the Prophet had seen a green carpet spread all over the horizon of the sky. Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 457: Narrated Aisha (may Allaah Almighty be pleased with her): Whoever claimed that (the Prophet) Muhammad (peace be upon him) saw his Lord, is committing a great fault, for he only saw Gabriel in his genuine shape in which he was created covering the whole horizon. source: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...i/054.sbt.html Allaah Almighty knows best. __________________ Islamic-Life.com Bringing Dawah back..to life! http://salaf-stories.blogspot.com http://seerah-stories.blogspot.com http://ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe Last edited by - Qatada -; 08-11-2006 at 02:12 PM..

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