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    Default Did Pharaoh (Fir'on) die a Muslim?


    According to 10:90 of the Glorious Quran, Pharaoh (Firson) said:
    ... I believe that there is no god but He in whom the Children of Israel believe; And I am of Muslimeen.
    But "He will go before his people down to the Fire (Hell)" according to 11:96-98 of the Glorious Quran.
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    Is that applicable to anybody who said Shahada outwardly though he was enemy of Islam?
    Or that was exclusively applicable to Pharaoh (Fir'on) only?
    How if someone died without saying Shahada but All his works were in favor of Islam?
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    No it was rejected of him he will be in hell-fire inshallah.


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    Default Re: Did Pharaoh (Fir'on) die a Muslim?


    Yaps that was a rejected quote.Faroh shall be in hell-fire by the will of allah


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    peace be upon you :

    Is that applicable to anybody who said Shahada outwardly though he was enemy of Islam?
    Or that was exclusively applicable to Pharaoh (Fir'on) only?
    "Repentance with Allah is only for those who do evil in ignorance, then turn (to Allah) soon, so these it is to whom Allah turns (mercifully), and Allah is ever Knowing, Wise.
    And repentance is not for those who go on doing evil deeds, until when death comes to one of them, he says: Surely now I repent; nor (for) those who die while they are unbelievers. These are they for whom We have prepared a painful chastisement."

    so, that applicable to anybody who said Shahada outwardly though he was enemy of Islam.

    How if someone died without saying Shahada but All his works were in favor of Islam?
    in other verses allah said : " Only they forge the lie who do not believe in Allah's communications, and these are the liars.
    [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.
    [16.107] This is because they love this world's life more than the hereafter, and because Allah does not guide the unbelieving people.
    [16.108] These are they on whose hearts and their hearing and their eyes Allah has set a seal, and these are the heedless ones.
    [16.109] No doubt that in the hereafter they will be the losers."

    allah order us to believe with our heart not with our tongue.
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    The pharoh did not say shahada untill he saw death in his face...so he shall dwell in fire. Apart from the pharoh even the people on whom Allah sent His "azab" punishment, when they saw death appraoching them in the form of the punishment, they would say n pray to Allah that now we beleive in you n pliz forgive us, but it was too late for repentance.

    How if someone died without saying Shahada but All his works were in favor of Islam?

    We must remmember the incident of Abu Talib's death. When Abu Talib was on his death bed the Prophet(PBUH) approached him and said
    "My uncle, you just make a profession that there is no ture God but Allah, and I will bear testimony before Allah ( of your being a beleiver)".
    Abu Jahl and Abdullah bin Abi Omaiyah addressing him said "Abu Talib, would you abondon the religion of "Abdul-Mutalib?"
    The Messenger of Allah constantly requested him and was repeated the same statement ---till Abu Talib gave his final decision and he stuck to the religion of Abdul-Muttalib and refused to profess that there is no true god but Allah. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said
    "By Allah, I will persistently beg pardon for you till I am forbidden to do so (by Allah)"
    Upon this Allah revealed this verse
    "It is not proper for the Prophet and those who beleive to ask Allah's fogiveness for the Mushrikoon (idolaters, disbeleivers in the oneness of Allah) even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire"

    It goes without saying that Abu Talib was very attached to our Prophet (PBUH). For forty years he has been faithful friend-- the prop of his childhood, the guardian of his youth and in later life a tower of defense.

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    > It goes without saying that Abu Talib was very attached to our Prophet (PBUH). For forty years he has been faithful friend-- the prop of his childhood, the guardian of his youth and in later life a tower of defense.

    1. Did AbuTalib do all that for Islam just because he was Ali's father + Mohammed's Uncle?
    2. Did the Prophet himself report the incident of Abu Talib's death? Rreference?
    3. Or the incident was filtered by someone who never stopped plotting against Islam+Mohammed+Ali?
    Was not easier said than done?
    4. Is it logical to bear all the hardships when Islam was in danger and deny its message after gaining power+followers?
    5. Was Abdul-Mutalib a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allah? Any proof?
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    Dear brother,
    Everything I have writen abt the incident of Abu Talib is quoted word by word from the book "Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum" The Sealed Nector - Biography of the Noble Prophet (SAW) by Safi-ur-Rahman al-Mubarakpuri. This book was awarded First Prize by the Muslim World League at wworld-wide competition on the biography of the Prophet (SAW) held at Makkah Al -Mukarramah in 1399 H/1979.
    So there is no doubt abt the truth of this incident as this book has been regarded as the best abt the Prophet.

    1. Did AbuTalib do all that for Islam just because he was Ali's father + Mohammed's Uncle?

    What I have read abt him, I have understood that his lov for his nephew (Prophet PBUH) was undeniable, and he did all this for his newphew to be protected from the pagans of Makkah.

    2. Did the Prophet himself report the incident of Abu Talib's death? Rreference? 3. Or the incident was filtered by someone who never stopped plotting against Islam+Mohammed+Ali?
    Was not easier said than done?
    Well , I have already written where I got the incident from.

    4. Is it logical to bear all the hardships when Islam was in danger and deny its message after gaining power+followers?
    Abu Talib died before Islam gained power in the same year as Khadijah (our Prophet's PBUH first wife).

    5. Was Abdul-Mutalib a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allah? Any proof?
    Please read the incident abt Abu Talib's death again n u will find proof in it.

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    Till getting that award-winning book, I would like to have the answers to All my questions here:
    http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...-mohammed.html
    Thanks + Flowers
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    edit
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    Had the non-believer known of all the Mercy which is in the Hands of Allah, he would not lose hope of entering Paradise, and had the believer known of all the punishment which is present with Allah, he would not consider himself safe from the Hell-Fire
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    I know this is a little off-topic but can someone shed some light on the argument of some people who say that Abu Taalib was a Muslim because in his heart he beleived in the oneness of Allaah, and that he was observing "Taqiyyah" when he did not pronounce the Shahaadah ??


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    Default Re: Did Pharaoh (Fir'on) die a Muslim?


    i have never heard of that story^^i agree the shahadah should be said with the heart not only with the lips you have to believe what you are saying with full belief.

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    even if he wasn't cursed to the hellfire by Allah...saying the shahada just before you die because you think that will help you isn't valid. You have to say it because you believe it and you want to live your life as a Muslim...not because your about to die and you think it is going to save you.

    Right when you realize that Islam is the truth you should say the shahada right away...you never know if your going to make it another day..

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    Why do we concern ourselves so much with things we are not accountable for, things we will not be questioned about.
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    my fault for bumping it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saifur-Rahmaan View Post


    I know this is a little off-topic but can someone shed some light on the argument of some people who say that Abu Taalib was a Muslim because in his heart he beleived in the oneness of Allaah, and that he was observing "Taqiyyah" when he did not pronounce the Shahaadah ??
    If anyone has a real desire to be a Muslim and has full conviction and strong belief that Islam is the true religion ordained by Allah for all human-beings, then, one should pronounce the "Shahada", the testimony of faith, without further delay. The Holy Qur'an is explicit on this regard as Allah states:

    "The Religion in the sight of Allah is Islam." (Qur'an 3:19)

    In another verse of the Holy Qur'an, Allah states:

    "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Submission to Allah), Never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost."(Qur'an 3:85)

    If a person does not pronounce the Shahada and enter Islaam, we cannot say that he is a Muslim, even if he admired Islaam and recognized that it the best religion, a great religion, and so on. Abu Taalib, the uncle of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died a kaafir (non-Muslim), and Allaah forbade His Prophet to pray for forgiveness for him, even though he used to defend the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said in his poems: "I do know that the religion of Muhammad is better than all other religions of mankind; were it not for fear of blame or slander
    you would find me accepting it completely


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    Default Re: Did Pharaoh (Fir'on) die a Muslim?


    Quote Originally Posted by Saifur-Rahmaan View Post


    I know this is a little off-topic but can someone shed some light on the argument of some people who say that Abu Taalib was a Muslim because in his heart he beleived in the oneness of Allaah, and that he was observing "Taqiyyah" when he did not pronounce the Shahaadah ??




    taqiyyah is a shi'a concept which isn't a part of islam. eman [faith] in islam, involves belief in the heart, and action of the tongues and limbs. therefore, one would have to utter the shahadah with their tongue in order to be muslim.


    shi'a concept of taqiyyah is false;
    http://www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/taqiyyah/taqiyyah [sunni site refuting shi'a]




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