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Default Re: Were Ahmad Deedat's views acceptable? - 02-23-2007

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I think theres a hadith but I dont know the authenticity of it.
their is no supporting hadith, but based on the Quran.

He was not crucified nor killed but it appeared to them.

The Quran say, he was not crucified than it is a clear indication he was not put on the cross, nor was he killed in that matter. However it appeared(resemble) to them he was.
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Default Re: Were Ahmad Deedat's views acceptable? - 02-23-2007

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Actually based on that verse alone it would seem that either opinion could go. What other supporting evidence is there to suggest he wasn't anywhere near the cross?
How so? Do you think the verse shouldn't be taken literally?

I don't know any other supporting evidence. If you could enlighten more on this, well, jazakallah.
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their is no supporting hadith, but based on the Quran.

He was not crucified nor killed but it appeared to them.

The Quran say, he was not crucified than it is a clear indication he was not put on the cross, nor was he killed in that matter. However it appeared(resemble) to them he was.

Akhi, you telling me that you know for a fact that there is no supporting hadith.

Am confused as "supporting of what" we are talking about. lol.
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Akhi, you telling me that you know for a fact that there is no supporting hadith.

Am confused as "supporting of what" we are talking about. lol.
I meant their is no supporrting hadith on Jesus getting crucified but losing conciouseness and get buried but is restored alive.

That is what I meant.
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Default Re: Were Ahmad Deedat's views acceptable? - 02-23-2007

This is how scholars have explained it to me, the ones who thought they crucified Isa AS later also found out they didnt. The reason being, the person they crucified thinking it was Isa AS was a look a like, a person among the ones who planned this, later that person was no where to be found, until they realised they had crucified one of their own and not Isa AS. Its clear from Holy Quran and scholars Isa AS was no where near their crucification ritual, he was raised before they could do that.

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I think Sheikh Anwar Al-Awlaki stated the view that he was raised to Allaah while he was in prison? I think that's what i heard in lives of the prophets by him. I might be wrong. Allaahu a'lam.


Check the tafsir ibn kathir view insha'Allaah:

http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=12730


It's explained quite well alhamdulillah.
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Default Re: Were Ahmad Deedat's views acceptable? - 02-23-2007

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Akhi, you telling me that you know for a fact that there is no supporting hadith.
And (remember) when Allah said: "O Iesa (jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you (of the forged statement that Iesa (jesus) is Allahs son) of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve (in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad SAW, Iesa (jesus), Moosa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Quran) till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #55)


And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah Iesa (jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Iesa (jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. Iesa (jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ):
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)

But Allah raised him (Iesa (jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #158)


Narrated Ibn Abbas: Allah's Apostle delivered a sermon and said, "O people! You will be gathered before Allah bare-footed, naked and not circumcised." Then (quoting Quran) he said:-- "As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. A promise We have undertaken: Truly we shall do it.." (21.104) The Prophet then said, "The first of the human beings to be dressed on the Day of Resurrection, will be Abraham. Lo! Some men from my followers will be brought and then (the angels) will drive them to the left side (Hell-Fire). I will say. 'O my Lord! (They are) my companions!' Then a reply will come (from Almighty), 'You do not know what they did after you.' I will say as the pious slave (the Prophet Jesus) said: And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them. When You took me up. You were the Watcher over them and You are a Witness to all things.' (5.117) Then it will be said, "These people have continued to be apostates since you left them." (Book #60, Hadith #149)

we have ayats from the Quran that states it all....like bro skillganon said...there are no hadith that states Jesus(pbuh) getting crucified but losing conciouseness and get buried but is restored alive.....but there are hadith that say that he'll be sent down again as he was taken up to the heavens.....
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Default Re: Were Ahmad Deedat's views acceptable? - 02-26-2007

read the defence concerning Shaykh Ahmed Deedat

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...ahmad%20deedat
In defence of Shaykh Ahmed Deedat (may Allaah have mercy on him)

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Default Re: Were Ahmad Deedat's views acceptable? - 02-26-2007

and here are a paper signed by the shiekh him self before he died

he says what is his real faith

http://www.ahmed-deedat.net/Files/Ar...ebsite/B01.jpg
   
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